Ten reasons never to hire Ken Pangborn

[freedom]

If you have been falsely accused and are considering hiring Ken Pangborn as
your consultant, please read carefully.

1. KEN PANGBORN HAS A LONG LIST OF DISSATISFIED CLIENTS AND WOULD-BE
CLIENTS.

http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com contains testimonials from former clients
of Ken. Although he insists that these people are made up, he has in the
past argued with or about them on usenet, and the posts in question can
still be found in Google Groups archives.

Former clients who have spoken out against Ken, and criticized his
services, have been subjected to having their private and confidential case
information posted on the internet by Ken.

Ken also has been unable to produce a single former client who will vouch
for his services.

2. KEN PANGBORN POSSESSES A DRIVING HATRED OF WOMEN.

His usenet posts reflect this: he has often referred to women as "cunts,"
"bitches," pieces of "pussy," and he even referred to his wife, Barbara
Sanciprian, as a "thing" attached to a vagina. He even attacked his own
daughter, Megan, by publicly posting information about her work in the
adult film industry.

If you are divorcing, or involved in a family law dispute with the mother
of your child, there probably is already more than enough animosity or hate
in the situation. You don't need Kenneth Pangborn to further fuel and
instigate the situation. Like it or not, she is the mother of your child,
and nobody deserves to be demeaned in the way which Ken treats women.

3. KEN PANGBORN LIES ABOUT HIS EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUND.

He claims to have a psychology degree. With a glance at his curriculum
vitae and a little bit of research, one finds that Shaftesbury University,
the school Ken lists on his CV, is a sham operation. It is a "diploma
mill" which is unaccredited.

Would you want a doctor to operate on you, if you knew that he purchased
his diploma by mail and never spent a day in a classroom? Nor should you
hire a legal expert who did the same.

4. KEN PANGBORN HAS VERY LITTLE LEGAL KNOWLEDGE.

Among some of his more well-known "sea lawyer" statements:

* The only reason a defense attorney requests a continuance is if his
client is "guilty as hell."
* If you make a statement and the opposing party asks you to prove it,
this is a sure sign that they have lost.
* Child support should be paid by fathers in intact, non-divorced
families.
* When an agreement is reached between a prosecution and a defense, the
judge will throw it out and impose his/her own sentence 70% of the time.
* Law enforcement agents routinely share information with strangers on
the internet, regarding open criminal investigations which they are working
on.
* Pretrial conferences, trials and plea bargains occur before
charges/arrests/arraignments are made.
* If a judge reviews the evidence in a case, he can rule that there is no
need for a trial, and can find the defendant guilty and impose sentencing.
* If two people share the same first and last name, the logical
conclusion is that they are the same person...even if they have different
middle names and reside in different parts of the country.

5. KEN PANGBORN SPENDS MOST OF HIS TIME (AND YOURS, IF YOU RETAIN HIM)
ARGUING AND HARASSING OTHERS ON THE INTERNET.

One need look no further than the usenet newsgroups
alt.dads-rights.unmoderated,alt.support.child-protective-services and
soc.culture.cuba. On most days, by 6 am these groups are already filled
with several angry, lie-filled posts from Ken, which continue throughout
the day.

He also frequently launches into massive tirades on irrelevant matters,
including whether or not he visited Cuba several years ago, or whether he
appeared on a radio talk show.

Clearly he isn't getting any work done...do you really want to pay this man
to post to internet discussion groups all day?

6. KEN PANGBORN HAS VERY POOR BUSINESS SENSE.

In 2000, http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com went online. Due to content and
keywords, it became firmly indexed in every major internet search engine,
including Yahoo, Google, Askjeeves, MSN etc. When a search is done for any
variation of Ken's name, listings for the site are returned, even higher
than listings for Ken's own business pages. In most search engines,
http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com is the #1 listing which is returned. This
means that anyone who is considering hiring Ken, and who decides to first
research him, is virtually guaranteed to read the site which highlights
Ken's fraudulent education, harassment and poor reviews from former
clients.

Ken was offered numerous opportunities to have
http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com removed from the web. At one point, it
would have taken a simple apology, for lies which Ken had already been
caught in. If he had any business sense at all, he would have swallowed
his pride, shown some integrity and gotten the site removed.

7. KEN PANGBORN CAN'T HANDLE HIS FINANCES.

A few years back, Ken filed Chapter 7 bankruptcy. The main reason, as
indicated by the bankruptcy documents as viewable at
http://docs.aboutkenpangborn.com, was a significant decrease in annual
income. According to the documents, he went from making 90k per year to
30k per year in a relatively short period of time....most likely due to his
fraudulent business practices and the reasons highlighted in #6.

When working with clients, Ken first asks for a significant retainer.
According to William Rainey, who claimed to be a would-be client, Ken asked
him for $15,000. How can Ken be expected to manage other people's money,
when he can't even handle his own?

8. KEN PANGBORN CAN'T EVEN MANAGE HIS OWN FAMILY.

Consider Ken's own track record. He has been divorced at least twice,
under very nasty circumstances. He had to purchase a wife from Cuba who
barely speaks any English, according to his daughter. His own daughters
won't speak to him, and his emotional abuse actually drove one of them to
join the porn industry. Ken then humiliated her by publicly announcing
this fact on usenet and on his listserv.

Ken also confessed that his affair with his current wife, Barbara, began
while he was still married to and living with his former wife Peggy.

9. KEN PANGBORN IS A RACIST.

His recent slurs against people of Polish nationality can be found on
alt.support.child-protective-services. In addition, his forgeries
regarding Jewish and African-American people are well-known and are
documented at http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com.

10. KEN PANGBORN MAY BE SUFFERING FROM MENTAL DISORDERS.

Possible examples include:

OCD/paranoia: Ken seems to believe that certain people are out to get
him. He is well-known for his "David Moore" obsession, to the point where
he thinks people around him are involved in some sort of conspiracy or
"coalition" against him....including his neighbors and his own daughter.
He also frequently attempts to stalk anyone he finds bearing the name
"David Moore," having attacked at least five unique individuals bearing
that name. Incredibly, on one occasion Ken claimed that his own name was
David Moore.
Multiple personality disorder: Ken frequently invents identities on
usenet, and carries on entire conversations with himself under these names.
He even invented biographies for some of the personas he created in 2003.
Tourette's: Ken is prone to sudden irrational outbursts, as heard on the
recorded phone call with a UPI stringer:
http://docs.aboutkenpangborn.com/pangborninterview.mp3.
Compulsive lying: Ken seems to possess a psychological need to lie. He
does so in nearly every single internet post, often lying about matters
which have already been disproved or which are simple to disprove.

http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com

[krp]

DAVID DANIEL MOORE - LOTUS SOLUTIONS CONSULTANT

Post by freedom
1. KEN PANGBORN HAS A LONG LIST OF DISSATISFIED CLIENTS AND WOULD-BE
CLIENTS.
http://www.aboutken contains testimonials from former clients of Ken.
(They are figments of Moore's vivid imagination.)
Ken also has been unable to produce a single former client who will vouch
for his services.

Sure - and you have TRIED to harass them both via e-mail and by making
false reports about them to officials.

Post by freedom
Consider Ken's own track record. He has been divorced at least twice,
under very nasty circumstances.

Well in relative terms - neither was particularly "nasty" although
divorce is never "FUN!"

Post by freedom
He had to purchase a wife from Cuba who barely speaks any English

So YOU keep claiming, she's fluent in English and there was NO
"purchasing" that went on. At least no more than is typical in marriages
where the man pays for the license. All we have is YOUR hysterical claims on
this score, Moore.

Post by freedom
His own daughters won't speak to him

Bullshit. Absolutely UNTRUE!

Post by freedom
Ken also confessed that his affair with his current wife, Barbara, began
while he was still married to and living with his former wife Peggy.

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[Kent Wills]

Post by krp
DAVID DANIEL MOORE - LOTUS SOLUTIONS CONSULTANT

Post by freedom
1. KEN PANGBORN HAS A LONG LIST OF DISSATISFIED CLIENTS AND WOULD-BE
CLIENTS.
http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com contains testimonials from former clients of Ken.
(They are figments of Moore's vivid imagination.)

Cute. You posted your reply in such a way as to make it look
like David claimed they are figments.
Are you so drunk you thought your act of deception would slip by?

Post by krp

Post by freedom
Ken also has been unable to produce a single former client who will vouch
for his services.

Sure - and you have TRIED to harass them both via e-mail and by making
false reports about them to officials.

Prove your claim, unless you're lying.

Post by krp

Post by freedom
Consider Ken's own track record. He has been divorced at least twice,
under very nasty circumstances.

Well in relative terms - neither was particularly "nasty" although
divorce is never "FUN!"

Post by freedom
He had to purchase a wife from Cuba who barely speaks any English

So YOU keep claiming, she's fluent in English and there was NO
"purchasing" that went on.

Technically true. You didn't BUY Barbar the elephant (your claim
about your wife). You might have paid to have a company arrange for
you and her to meet.
My knowledge of mail-order-brides is very limited, but if I
understand correctly, this is what is done. The man pays a company to
arrange for a meeting.
If I am mistaken in what the fee is for, please feel free to
correct me.

Post by krp
At least no more than is typical in marriages
where the man pays for the license. All we have is YOUR hysterical claims on
this score, Moore.

There's the fact that you claimed it was impossible, even though
it was and is possible.
Had you not hired the services of a mail-order-bride company, I
would have expected you to reply with something like, "While it's
possible Barbara is a mail-order-bride, she is not. Prove that she
is, if she is."
Instead, you LIED and said such a thing was impossible.

Post by krp

Post by freedom
His own daughters won't speak to him

Bullshit. Absolutely UNTRUE!

Megan certainly won't. Her blog on MySpace made it very clear
she will have NOTHING to do with you.
Given the level of pure HATE she has for you, it is possible she
lied about her half-sisters. I got the impression she would make any
claim if it would cause you even the slightest bit of grief. That's
why I don't present her claims as absolute without something more to
sustain them.


"It's attached to a thing called a "WIFE" Betty."
Kenneth Robert Pangborn showing how he views his wife
as an object and NOT a human being.
Message-ID: <KLf2j.31312$***@trnddc07>

[krp]

Post by Kent Wills

Post by freedom
1. KEN PANGBORN HAS A LONG LIST OF DISSATISFIED CLIENTS AND WOULD-BE
CLIENTS.
http://www.aboutken contains testimonials from former clients of Ken.
(They are figments of Moore's vivid imagination.)

Cute. You posted your reply in such a way as to make it look
like David claimed they are figments.

They ARE with ONE exception people who Moore either made up, or that FALSE
statements were ascribed to them. There is NO "Will Rainey." Moore made him
up named after a college near where he used to live in Bolingbrook,
Illinois. (William Rainey Harper College).

[Dan Sullivan]

Post by krp
There is NO "Will Rainey." Moore made him
up named after a college near where he used to live in Bolingbrook,
Illinois. (William Rainey Harper College).

Back in the early 90's I helped a man who had the same name as an icon
in the music industry.

Was he made up because he had the same name as someone else, kenny
boy?

Does Jimmy Kimmel have no cousins?

[krp]

Post by krp
There is NO "Will Rainey." Moore made him
up named after a college near where he used to live in Bolingbrook,
Illinois. (William Rainey Harper College).

DJS#3> Back in the early 90's I helped a man who had the same name as an
icon
in the music industry.

DJS#3> Was he made up because he had the same name as someone else, kenny
boy?

No he was made up because YOU make people up you allegedly helped.

[Dan Sullivan]

Post by krp

Post by krp
There is NO "Will Rainey." Moore made him
up named after a college near where he used to live in Bolingbrook,
Illinois. (William Rainey Harper College).

DJS#3> Back in the early 90's I helped a man who had the same name as an
icon
in the music industry.
DJS#3> Was he made up because he had the same name as someone else, kenny
boy?
    No he was made up because YOU make people up you allegedly helped.

ken pangborn claims Bernie Madoff ran his Ponzi scheme for less that
ten years!!!

Get your facts straight, kenny boy.

[Greegor]

Post by krp

Post by krp
There is NO "Will Rainey." Moore made him
up named after a college near where he used to live in Bolingbrook,
Illinois. (William Rainey Harper College).

DJS#3> Back in the early 90's I helped a man who had the same name as an
icon
in the music industry.
DJS#3> Was he made up because he had the same name as someone else, kenny
boy?

KRP > No he was made up because YOU make people up you allegedly
helped.

DJS3 > ken pangborn claims Bernie Madoff ran his Ponzi
DJS3 > scheme for less that ten years!!!
DJS3 > Get your facts straight, kenny boy.

Isn't that an easier mistake than missing the fact
that NO INVESTIGATORS shut down Madoff.

He TURNED HIMSELF IN!

How did Florence and David over in Bay Shore do in the market?
Did your folks and you lose money with Madoff?
How'd you do on ENRON, Daniel J. Sullivan III ?

[Dan Sullivan]

Post by Greegor

Post by krp

Post by krp
There is NO "Will Rainey." Moore made him
up named after a college near where he used to live in Bolingbrook,
Illinois. (William Rainey Harper College).

DJS#3> Back in the early 90's I helped a man who had the same name as an
icon
in the music industry.
DJS#3> Was he made up because he had the same name as someone else, kenny
boy?

KRP > No he was made up because YOU make people up you allegedly
helped.
DJS3 > ken pangborn claims Bernie Madoff ran his Ponzi
DJS3 > scheme for less that ten years!!!
DJS3 > Get your facts straight, kenny boy.
Isn't that an easier mistake than missing the fact
that NO INVESTIGATORS shut down Madoff.

What do you mean "an easier mistake?"

kenny boy makes "mistakes" ALL THE TIME!

The information about Madoff has been all over the media and internet
for months, YET...
kenny boy claimed Madoff's Ponzi scheme lasted less than a decade,
when THE TRUTH IS Madoff claimed at his allocution that his Ponzi
scheme started in 1991. So kenny boy subtracts 1991 from 2009 and
instead of arriving at 18 as the answer, he says it's less than 10.

When you claimed I was mistaken about my daughter's age by 6 years,
kenny boy increased the figure to 10.

Why can't kenny boy subtract 1991 from 2009 and get the right answer?
18

Why can't kenny boy subtract 3 from 9 and get the right answer? 6

Is simple arithmetic really beyond ken pangborn's understanding?

[Greegor]

How did Florence and David over in Bay Shore do in the market?
Did your folks and you lose money with Madoff?
How'd you do on ENRON, Daniel J. Sullivan III ?

[Dan Sullivan]

Post by Greegor
How did Florence and David over in Bay Shore do in the market?
Did your folks and you lose money with Madoff?
How'd you do on ENRON, Daniel J. Sullivan III ?

grag, you ARE too stupid to comprehend you're stupid.

[Greegor]

G > How did Florence and David over in Bay Shore do in the market?
G > Did your folks and you lose money with Madoff?
G > How'd you do on ENRON, Daniel J. Sullivan III ?

DJS3 > grag, you ARE too stupid to comprehend you're stupid.

Your EGO won't let you answer about whether
or not you lost money with Madoff or ENRON??

[Dan Sullivan]

Post by Greegor
G > How did Florence and David over in Bay Shore do in the market?
G > Did your folks and you lose money with Madoff?
G > How'd you do on ENRON, Daniel J. Sullivan III ?
DJS3 > grag, you ARE too stupid to comprehend you're stupid.
Your EGO won't let you answer about whether
or not you lost money with Madoff or ENRON??

Is my name on the Madoff list?

[Greegor]

G > How did Florence and David over in Bay Shore do in the market?
G > Did your folks and you lose money with Madoff?
G > How'd you do on ENRON, Daniel J. Sullivan III ?

DJS3 > grag, you ARE too stupid to comprehend you're stupid.

G > Your EGO won't let you answer about whether
G > or not you lost money with Madoff or ENRON??

DJS3 > Is my name on the Madoff list?

DJS3 > Not a cent.

Your EGO just gets in the way doesn't it!

Not every loss is on the list directly.

How'd you do on ENRON?

Do you use a discount brokerage?

What's the transaction fee like?

You'd have a Keogh not a 401K right, being ""SELF EMPLOYED""?

Do the rules let you play the market inside of that?

You post like a day trader, Dan.

[krp]

Post by Greegor
G > How did Florence and David over in Bay Shore do in the market?
G > Did your folks and you lose money with Madoff?
G > How'd you do on ENRON, Daniel J. Sullivan III ?
DJS3 > grag, you ARE too stupid to comprehend you're stupid.
Your EGO won't let you answer about whether
or not you lost money with Madoff or ENRON??

DJS#3> Is my name on the Madoff list?

Well, Danny, you ARE stupid enough for it to be there.

[Dan Sullivan]

Post by krp

Post by Greegor
G > How did Florence and David over in Bay Shore do in the market?
G > Did your folks and you lose money with Madoff?
G > How'd you do on ENRON, Daniel J. Sullivan III ?
DJS3 > grag, you ARE too stupid to comprehend you're stupid.
Your EGO won't let you answer about whether
or not you lost money with Madoff or ENRON??

DJS#3> Is my name on the Madoff list?
Well, Danny, you ARE stupid enough for it to be there.

Are you claiming that only stupid people invested with Madoff, ken pangborn?

[krp]

Post by Dan Sullivan

Post by krp

Post by Greegor
G > How did Florence and David over in Bay Shore do in the market?
G > Did your folks and you lose money with Madoff?
G > How'd you do on ENRON, Daniel J. Sullivan III ?
DJS3 > grag, you ARE too stupid to comprehend you're stupid.
Your EGO won't let you answer about whether
or not you lost money with Madoff or ENRON??

DJS#3> Is my name on the Madoff list?
Well, Danny, you ARE stupid enough for it to be there.

Are you claiming that only stupid people invested with Madoff, ken pangborn?

Yeah, pretty much Danny. Just because somebody is a famous actor, or
they have loads of money doesn't make them smart. What's Demi Moore's IQ?
She had a great body and then installed way oversized rock hard plastic
TITS.. Smart?

[Kent Wills]

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Post by freedom
1. KEN PANGBORN HAS A LONG LIST OF DISSATISFIED CLIENTS AND WOULD-BE
CLIENTS.
http://www.aboutken contains testimonials from former clients of Ken.
(They are figments of Moore's vivid imagination.)

Cute. You posted your reply in such a way as to make it look
like David claimed they are figments.

They ARE with ONE exception people who Moore either made up, or that FALSE
statements were ascribed to them. There is NO "Will Rainey." Moore made him
up named after a college near where he used to live in Bolingbrook,
Illinois. (William Rainey Harper College).

You already admitted, by default, that you were lying about that.
I asked you to prove your claim or admit, by default, you were
lying. You RAN from the request.
Why are you presenting that which you've already admitted was a
lie?
BTW, our David has never lived in the Chicago area. A TRUTH you
already know, but refuse to acknowledge since it would mean admitting
the David Moore you've been stalking is the wrong one.

"Quotes below have been highly altered."
-- Kenneth Robert Pangborn accidentally admitting in misc.legal
that he alters posts when he replies.

[krp]

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Post by freedom
1. KEN PANGBORN HAS A LONG LIST OF DISSATISFIED CLIENTS AND WOULD-BE
CLIENTS.
http://www.aboutken contains testimonials from former clients of Ken.
(They are figments of Moore's vivid imagination.)

Cute. You posted your reply in such a way as to make it look
like David claimed they are figments.

They ARE with ONE exception people who Moore either made up, or that FALSE
statements were ascribed to them. There is NO "Will Rainey." Moore made him
up named after a college near where he used to live in Bolingbrook,
Illinois. (William Rainey Harper College).

BTW, our David has never lived in the Chicago area. A TRUTH you
already know, but refuse to acknowledge since it would mean admitting
the David Moore you've been stalking is the wrong one.

A LIE. He enlisted in the Marines when he lived at 850 Buffalo Avenue,
Calumet City, and he lived in Bolingbrook until his house was foreclosed and
his wife left for Missouri.
Property record still exist, Kunt. Too bad for you pair of LIARS.

[Kent Wills]

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Post by freedom
1. KEN PANGBORN HAS A LONG LIST OF DISSATISFIED CLIENTS AND WOULD-BE
CLIENTS.
http://www.aboutken contains testimonials from former clients of Ken.
(They are figments of Moore's vivid imagination.)

Cute. You posted your reply in such a way as to make it look
like David claimed they are figments.

They ARE with ONE exception people who Moore either made up, or that FALSE
statements were ascribed to them. There is NO "Will Rainey." Moore made him
up named after a college near where he used to live in Bolingbrook,
Illinois. (William Rainey Harper College).

BTW, our David has never lived in the Chicago area. A TRUTH you
already know, but refuse to acknowledge since it would mean admitting
the David Moore you've been stalking is the wrong one.

A LIE.

Not so, but feel free to prove the David Moore we know has ever
lived in the Chicago area.
Proving that another person, with the same first and last name,
lives in the Chicago area will not be good enough. you must prove the
David Moore we know ever lived there.
Since he never has, this will prove an impossible venture for
you.

Post by krp
He enlisted in the Marines when he lived at 850 Buffalo Avenue,
Calumet City, and he lived in Bolingbrook until his house was foreclosed and
his wife left for Missouri.

It's very possible the David Moore who lives there did enlist in
the Marines. This doesn't prove your claim that he's the David Moore
we know.

Post by krp
Property record still exist, Kunt. Too bad for you pair of LIARS.

Following your logic, everyone with the name Ken Pangborn will be
you.
Since you must accept that everyone named Ken Pangborn is you, or
admit you've been lying when you've made the FACT CLAIM that the David
Moore from Calumet City MUST be the same David we know, please explain
why you were photographed outside the LDS temple praying the leaders
would see the error of their ways when they started to ordain black
LDS members.
You can no longer claim he's a different Ken Pangborn, unless
you're willing to accept the truth that the David Moore who lives in
Calumet City, IL. is not the same David Moore we know.


"Quotes below have been highly altered."
-- Kenneth Robert Pangborn accidentally admitting in misc.legal
that he alters posts when he replies.

[krp]

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Post by freedom
1. KEN PANGBORN HAS A LONG LIST OF DISSATISFIED CLIENTS AND WOULD-BE
CLIENTS.
http://www.aboutken contains testimonials from former clients of Ken.
(They are figments of Moore's vivid imagination.)

Cute. You posted your reply in such a way as to make it look
like David claimed they are figments.

They ARE with ONE exception people who Moore either made up, or that FALSE
statements were ascribed to them. There is NO "Will Rainey." Moore made
him up named after a college near where he used to live in Bolingbrook,
Illinois. (William Rainey Harper College).

BTW, our David has never lived in the Chicago area. A TRUTH you
already know, but refuse to acknowledge since it would mean admitting
the David Moore you've been stalking is the wrong one.

A LIE.

Not so, but feel free to prove the David Moore we know has ever
lived in the Chicago area.

And yet your PAL, Moore (that we KNOW) made lots of arguments about the
Bolingbrook Police. And FYI, Bolingbrook is a southwest suburb of Chicago
(albeit in Will County) near Joliet and Romeoville. Largely Bolingbrook was
created in the early 70's as affordable housing for the middle class. The
older parts (where your BUDDY lived) is part of the older and more run down
part of the community, which today is largely blue collar. That doesn't mean
there aren't some nice homes. There are, But your STUPID denial that it is
our Davey is a pathetic and DESPERATE LIE. It won't work, look at dipshit's
posts as LIBERTY45, JUSTICE 23 et al. His posts from ANET before even Jeff
threw his ass off. Nice try, Kunt, but NO cigar!

[Anonymous Remailer (austria)]

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Post by freedom
1. KEN PANGBORN HAS A LONG LIST OF DISSATISFIED CLIENTS AND WOULD-BE
CLIENTS.
http://www.aboutken contains testimonials from former clients of Ken.
(They are figments of Moore's vivid imagination.)

Cute. You posted your reply in such a way as to make it look
like David claimed they are figments.

They ARE with ONE exception people who Moore either made up, or that FALSE
statements were ascribed to them. There is NO "Will Rainey." Moore made
him up named after a college near where he used to live in Bolingbrook,
Illinois. (William Rainey Harper College).

BTW, our David has never lived in the Chicago area. A TRUTH you
already know, but refuse to acknowledge since it would mean admitting
the David Moore you've been stalking is the wrong one.

A LIE.

Not so, but feel free to prove the David Moore we know has ever
lived in the Chicago area.

And yet your PAL, Moore (that we KNOW) made lots of arguments about the
Bolingbrook Police. And FYI, Bolingbrook is a southwest suburb of Chicago
(albeit in Will County) near Joliet and Romeoville. Largely Bolingbrook was
created in the early 70's as affordable housing for the middle class. The
older parts (where your BUDDY lived) is part of the older and more run down
part of the community, which today is largely blue collar. That doesn't mean
there aren't some nice homes. There are, But your STUPID denial that it is
our Davey is a pathetic and DESPERATE LIE. It won't work, look at dipshit's
posts as LIBERTY45, JUSTICE 23 et al. His posts from ANET before even Jeff
threw his ass off. Nice try, Kunt, but NO cigar!

Um.....I never threw him off, dumbass. We gave him a new screen name and I
then set up a filter to send all of your funny legal threats to the bit
bucket :-) Oh and at one point I even ran a remailer which he and others
used to avoid your silly harassment.

Remember when you made all those threats that I was going to go down with
him, from law enforcement in 4 different states? Just so you KNOW it's
really me :-) Still waiting for that knock at the door.

Hell maybe I'll even setup another remailer. We're neighbors now, you
know.....

[Greegor]

On Sep 11, 9:25 pm, "Anonymous Remailer (austria)"
KRP > It won't work, look at dipshit's posts as
KRP > LIBERTY45, JUSTICE 23 et al. His
KRP > posts from ANET before even Jeff threw
KRP > his ass off.  Nice try, Kunt, but NO cigar!

Um.....I never threw him off, dumbass.  We gave him a new screen name and I
then set up a filter to send all of your funny legal threats to the bit
bucket :-)  Oh and at one point I even ran a remailer which he and others
used to avoid your silly harassment.
Remember when you made all those threats that I was going to go down with
him, from law enforcement in 4 different states?  Just so you KNOW it's
really me :-)  Still waiting for that knock at the door.
Hell maybe I'll even setup another remailer.  We're neighbors now, you
know.....

Pull the other leg.

[krp]

"Greegor" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message news:066aa590-3191-4a2d-a0b6-***@s31g2000yqs.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 11, 9:25 pm, "Anonymous Remailer (austria)"
KRP > It won't work, look at dipshit's posts as
KRP > LIBERTY45, JUSTICE 23 et al. His
KRP > posts from ANET before even Jeff threw
KRP > his ass off. Nice try, Kunt, but NO cigar!

Um.....I never threw him off, dumbass. We gave him a new screen name and I
then set up a filter to send all of your funny legal threats to the bit
bucket :-) Oh and at one point I even ran a remailer which he and others
used to avoid your silly harassment.
Remember when you made all those threats that I was going to go down with
him, from law enforcement in 4 different states? Just so you KNOW it's
really me :-) Still waiting for that knock at the door.
Hell maybe I'll even setup another remailer. We're neighbors now, you
know.....

GH> Pull the other leg.

Davey puts on a good ACT, doesn't he. He's NOT David Moore, and Jeff
Leggett is probably NOT Jeff Leggett. Kent Wills is NOT Kent Wills. And they
can't understand THEIR lack of credibility.

[Kent Wills]

Post by krp
On Sep 11, 9:25 pm, "Anonymous Remailer (austria)"
KRP > It won't work, look at dipshit's posts as
KRP > LIBERTY45, JUSTICE 23 et al. His
KRP > posts from ANET before even Jeff threw
KRP > his ass off. Nice try, Kunt, but NO cigar!

Um.....I never threw him off, dumbass. We gave him a new screen name and I
then set up a filter to send all of your funny legal threats to the bit
bucket :-) Oh and at one point I even ran a remailer which he and others
used to avoid your silly harassment.
Remember when you made all those threats that I was going to go down with
him, from law enforcement in 4 different states? Just so you KNOW it's
really me :-) Still waiting for that knock at the door.
Hell maybe I'll even setup another remailer. We're neighbors now, you
know.....

GH> Pull the other leg.
Davey puts on a good ACT, doesn't he. He's NOT David Moore, and Jeff
Leggett is probably NOT Jeff Leggett. Kent Wills is NOT Kent Wills.

You acknowledged my name in real life isn't Kent. It was in the
thread about your listserv and how I get the mailings.
Where you lying then, or are you lying now?

Post by krp
And they
can't understand THEIR lack of credibility.

You lie with nearly every post, yet think others lack
credibility?


"(CONTEXT REMOVED AS TO THE BELOW CLAIM)"
Kenneth Robert Pangborn admitting he alters the context of posts
when he replies.
MID FyUom.1363$***@nwrddc02.gnilink.net

[Greegor]

KRP > It won't work, look at dipshit's posts as
KRP > LIBERTY45, JUSTICE 23 et al. His posts
KRP > from ANET before even Jeff threw his
KRP > ass off. Nice try, Kunt, but NO cigar!

Um.....I never threw him off, dumbass. We gave him a new screen name and I
then set up a filter to send all of your funny legal threats to the bit
bucket :-) Oh and at one point I even ran a remailer which he and others
used to avoid your silly harassment.
Remember when you made all those threats that I was going to go down with
him, from law enforcement in 4 different states? Just so you KNOW it's
really me :-) Still waiting for that knock at the door.
Hell maybe I'll even setup another remailer. We're neighbors now, you
know.....

G > Pull the other leg.

KRP > Davey puts on a good ACT, doesn't he.
KRP > He's NOT David Moore, and Jeff Leggett
KRP > is probably NOT Jeff Leggett. Kent Wills
KRP > is NOT Kent Wills. And they can't
KRP > understand THEIR lack of credibility.

Even better, Dan denies what he actually said.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/fbd736b088fb9947

G > I like the part where you claimed that
G > you won cases in so many states, Dan.

DJS3 > I never said that.

Please correct the wording below, it's YOURS!
Why would you deny what you outright said, Dan?

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/4ab87d58c2196d4a

Newsgroups: alt.support.child-protective-services
From: "Dan Sullivan" <***@optonline.net>
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 17:04:47 -0500

[...]

G > The agencies "steam roller" families and if Dan
G > is really so experienced he should KNOW that.

DJS3 > I have been successful in "steamrolling" CPS since 1993.
DJS3 > Not a single loss for me.
DJS3 > Not a single win for CPS.

G > Perhaps the caseworkers where he is are used
G > to admitting to major screwups, but in many
G > places, caseworkers refuse to in any way
G > acknowledge screwups, as if the agency itself
G > is "on the run" or "lawyered up to protect itself".

DJS3 > I have wins in California, Oregon, Arizona,
DJS3 > New York, Pennsylvania, and a few other states.
DJS3 > As varied a mixture of case workers as you could find.

[Kent Wills]

On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 21:58:35 -0700 (PDT), Greegor

Post by Greegor
G > Pull the other leg.
KRP > Davey puts on a good ACT, doesn't he.
KRP > He's NOT David Moore, and Jeff Leggett
KRP > is probably NOT Jeff Leggett. Kent Wills
KRP > is NOT Kent Wills. And they can't
KRP > understand THEIR lack of credibility.
Even better, Dan denies what he actually said.

When? In reality, I mean.

Post by Greegor
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/fbd736b088fb9947
G > I like the part where you claimed that
G > you won cases in so many states, Dan.
DJS3 > I never said that.
Please correct the wording below, it's YOURS!
Why would you deny what you outright said, Dan?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/4ab87d58c2196d4a

When has he denied anything he's said?

Title: ST VS GREGORY HANSON
(DOB 05/22/1959)
CRIMINAL COMPLAINT 04/10/1996
Comments: CT 1 OWI 1ST
OTHER CITATION 04/10/1996
Comments: CT 2 SPEED
Disposition Status
GUILTY PLEA/DEFAULT

"That's the chick, but not the pic, zipperhead!"
Greg Hanson proving his bigotry towards Asians, or proving he's so
stupid he thinks I'm Asian.
MID:<c6bac3f6-7a0e-4bf8-8ddd-***@p49g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.legal/msg/395db830731df54a
http://www.rsdb.org/search?q=zipperhead

Me: "I suspect your stalking is due to the use and abuse of illegal
drugs, Greg. Is the reason for your stalking the members of
alt.friends due to the use and abuse of illegal drugs?

Gregory Scott Hanson, wife beater and child abuser: "Of course."

"My family's case is for Neglect, but we are treated
in virtually every regard as child abusers, marked on
the Child Abuse registry, for example."
-- Greg Scott Hanson telling Usenet he's a FOUNDED child abuser.
Message-ID: <***@posting.google.com>

" ... But there ought to be conferences and studies on how to curb
minority overpopulation, repatriate minorities abroad, imprison more
minorities, increase use of the death penalty and divest minorities of
the power they have usurped over us in recent years. That would
address the most pressing problems of our day. ... "
April 2000, Gregory Hanson
http://www.nationalist.org/ATW/2000/040101.html#Hanson

[krp]

THE PRETEND JEFF LEGETT

Post by Anonymous Remailer (austria)

Post by krp
And yet your PAL, Moore (that we KNOW) made lots of arguments about the
Bolingbrook Police. And FYI, Bolingbrook is a southwest suburb of Chicago
(albeit in Will County) near Joliet and Romeoville. Largely Bolingbrook was
created in the early 70's as affordable housing for the middle class. The
older parts (where your BUDDY lived) is part of the older and more run down
part of the community, which today is largely blue collar. That doesn't mean
there aren't some nice homes. There are, But your STUPID denial that it is
our Davey is a pathetic and DESPERATE LIE. It won't work, look at dipshit's
posts as LIBERTY45, JUSTICE 23 et al. His posts from ANET before even Jeff
threw his ass off. Nice try, Kunt, but NO cigar!

Um.....I never threw him off, dumbass. We gave him a new screen name and I
then set up a filter to send all of your funny legal threats to the bit
bucket :-) Oh and at one point I even ran a remailer which he and others
used to avoid your silly harassment.

Wait you have to keep the LIES straight. Moore NOW claims he NEVER lived
in Illinois. NEVER in Bolingbrook. Nice TRY Davey, pretending to be your
pal JEFFY!

[Kent Wills]

On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 12:20:23 GMT, "krp" <***@verizon.net> wrote:

[...]

Post by krp

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp

Post by Kent Wills
BTW, our David has never lived in the Chicago area. A TRUTH you
already know, but refuse to acknowledge since it would mean admitting
the David Moore you've been stalking is the wrong one.

A LIE.

Not so, but feel free to prove the David Moore we know has ever
lived in the Chicago area.

And yet your PAL, Moore (that we KNOW)

I count the David Moore we know as one of my friends. Nothing
new there.
I might count others with the same first and last name as
friends, if I knew them.

Post by krp
made lots of arguments about the
Bolingbrook Police.

Where's the evidence to support such a claim?
Since the David Moore we know has never lived in the Chicago
area, you can't offer any. All we have are your claims. Given how
often you are PROVED to be a liar, your claims fall far short.
There may have been someone named David Moore who lived there.
Heck, I'll accept that there was, since someone else with the same
first and last name living there doesn't matter.

Post by krp
And FYI, Bolingbrook is a southwest suburb of Chicago

Having lived in Chicago land for a number of years (mostly Du
Page County, though I lived in Cook County for one year), I am well
aware of many of the villages.
A woman I dated very briefly lived in Bolingbrook.

Post by krp
(albeit in Will County) near Joliet and Romeoville. Largely Bolingbrook was
created in the early 70's as affordable housing for the middle class. The
older parts (where your BUDDY lived)

Prove the David Moore we know ever lived in Bolingbrook. Proving
that another person with the same first and last name lived there,
while nice, isn't going to be enough.

Post by krp
is part of the older and more run down
part of the community, which today is largely blue collar. That doesn't mean
there aren't some nice homes. There are, But your STUPID denial that it is
our Davey is a pathetic and DESPERATE LIE.

It's not a lie. You've been stalking the wrong David Moore for
years.

Post by krp
It won't work, look at dipshit's
posts as LIBERTY45, JUSTICE 23 et al. His posts from ANET before even Jeff
threw his ass off. Nice try, Kunt, but NO cigar!

If you'd be kind enough to post links to the posts you reference,
I'll check them out. If they prove your claim, I will state so. If
they don't, I will state so and explain exactly how they fail.


"Quotes below have been highly altered."
-- Kenneth Robert Pangborn accidentally admitting in misc.legal
that he alters posts when he replies.

[freedom]

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Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp
DAVID DANIEL MOORE - LOTUS SOLUTIONS CONSULTANT

...didn't make the post in question, as can clearly be seen by anyone

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp

Post by freedom
1. KEN PANGBORN HAS A LONG LIST OF DISSATISFIED CLIENTS AND WOULD-BE
CLIENTS.
http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com contains testimonials from former clients of Ken.
(They are figments of Moore's vivid imagination.)

Cute. You posted your reply in such a way as to make it look
like David claimed they are figments.
Are you so drunk you thought your act of deception would slip by?

Ken has a history of forging comments into his replies to posts. This is
yet another example.....you can simply follow the thread back to see that
my post contained no such text.

He also frequently forges other peoples' names into his replies to my
posts, to make it appear as if someone other than me wrote them. The post
you're replying to is an example of this.

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp

Post by freedom
Ken also has been unable to produce a single former client who will vouch
for his services.

Sure - and you have TRIED to harass them both via e-mail and by making
false reports about them to officials.

Prove your claim, unless you're lying.

How could I or anyone "harass" them? No names or contact information have
EVER been provided. His website contains testimonials followed only by the
authors' initials. No full names....no addresses, e-mail or otherwise.

In other words, Ken (who has a proved history of creating fake IDs to shill
for himself) could have simply written the testimonials himself.

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp

Post by freedom
Consider Ken's own track record. He has been divorced at least twice,
under very nasty circumstances.

Well in relative terms - neither was particularly "nasty" although
divorce is never "FUN!"

Post by freedom
He had to purchase a wife from Cuba who barely speaks any English

So YOU keep claiming, she's fluent in English and there was NO
"purchasing" that went on.

Technically true. You didn't BUY Barbar the elephant (your claim
about your wife). You might have paid to have a company arrange for
you and her to meet.

Are you sure it wasn't just love at first sight? I mean, what woman
wouldn't want an obese, balding, loudmouthed senior citizen with erectile
dysfunction?

Post by Kent Wills
My knowledge of mail-order-brides is very limited, but if I
understand correctly, this is what is done. The man pays a company to
arrange for a meeting.
If I am mistaken in what the fee is for, please feel free to
correct me.

Post by krp
At least no more than is typical in marriages
where the man pays for the license. All we have is YOUR hysterical claims on
this score, Moore.

There's the fact that you claimed it was impossible, even though
it was and is possible.
Had you not hired the services of a mail-order-bride company, I
would have expected you to reply with something like, "While it's
possible Barbara is a mail-order-bride, she is not. Prove that she
is, if she is."
Instead, you LIED and said such a thing was impossible.

This is the same sort of thing which tripped him up when he was claiming
that it was impossible to access the internet from Cuba. He ranted for
months about whether he was in Cuba during a certain time period....and it
was proved that internet access is indeed available.

The funniest part was when he posted "boarding passes" to the Photoshop
newsgroup, which were immediately recognized as fakes. By the people HE
had gone to for help, no less.

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp

Post by freedom
His own daughters won't speak to him

Bullshit. Absolutely UNTRUE!

Megan certainly won't. Her blog on MySpace made it very clear
she will have NOTHING to do with you.
Given the level of pure HATE she has for you, it is possible she
lied about her half-sisters. I got the impression she would make any
claim if it would cause you even the slightest bit of grief. That's
why I don't present her claims as absolute without something more to
sustain them.

I exchanged several e-mails with her, and found very little reason to
believe she was being untruthful. She did make the comment that Ken wasn't
her biological father, but that could have just been wishful thinking on
her part.

http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com
The truth about Kenneth Pangborn, who supports convicted child sex
criminals

"[I have] [n]ever had [any] standing in the Texas Criminal Defense Lawyer's
Association or AN Y connection to them."
- --Ken Pangborn in a usenet post on January 1, 2009, denying affiliation
with the TCDLA, to whom he provided bogus educational credentials. His lie
is disproved here:
http://web.archive.org/web/20060822021821/www.tcdla.com/secure/experts/inde
x.shtml

"Some photo of some girl without even any documentation on THAT only proves
that YOU are a PSYCHO! A really STUPID one at that!"
- --Ken Pangborn, admitting to being a "stupid" "psycho" in message-ID
<jOp3l.292$***@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>

"The FACT is that [my mail-order wife Barbara Sanciprian] and I were
introduced in the FORMAL Spanish tradition by mutual friends, and were
married first in Cuba after 2 year courtship."
- --Ken Pangborn, admitting that he began cheating on his wife Peggy on
September 28, 2001, nearly two years before she separated from him

"I'm David Moore and I am insane!"
- --Ken Pangborn posting to alt.dads-rights.unmoderated, attempting to
claim that his name is David Moore

"If you call the police, I'll knock out all of your teeth, I'll cripple
you. I may go to prison for it, but when I get out, I'll be able to walk,
but you will still be a cripple."
- --Pangborn puppet Greg Hanson of alt.support.child-protective-services
**, in a verbal threat to his girlfriend


** - this conclusion was reached via applying Ken and Greg's logic

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[krp]

DAVID D. MOORE CHICAGO'S OWN COMPUTER VANDAL

Post by freedom
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Ken has a history of forging comments into his replies to posts. This is
yet another example.....you can simply follow the thread back to see that
my post contained no such text.

YOU are the one with the track record of FORGERIES, Moore.

Post by freedom
How could I or anyone "harass" them? No names or contact information have
EVER been provided. His website contains testimonials followed only by the
authors' initials. No full names....no addresses, e-mail or otherwise.

BULLSHIT - you got their e-mail addresses of the Falseacc list that you
have only RECENTLY admitted to have joined under a FALSE NAME! You argued
with Mark for weeks, and when he wouldn't do as you tried to ORDER him to
do, you started making anonymous FALSE reports about him to the authorities
in his state. Like you did to at least TWO women on the list as well.

Post by freedom
In other words, Ken (who has a proved history of creating fake IDs to shill
for himself) could have simply written the testimonials himself.

The photos are fake too? Oh yeah, you'll claim they are "PHOTOSHOPPED."
As you ALWAYS do. New newspaper articles, faked too?

Post by freedom

Post by Kent Wills
Technically true. You didn't BUY Barbar the elephant (your claim
about your wife). You might have paid to have a company arrange for
you and her to meet.

AGAIN correcting the FEEBLE MINDED. It is BABAR the Elephant NOT
Barbar.

Post by freedom

Post by Kent Wills
My knowledge of mail-order-brides is very limited, but if I
understand correctly, this is what is done. The man pays a company to
arrange for a meeting.
If I am mistaken in what the fee is for, please feel free to correct
me.

How would *I*m know about such services? Since I didn't do that! I was
introduced by a friend of mine who married the daughter of my wife's
mother's best friend. He knew I was single and he knew about my wife and
that we were both looking for the same things and had many shared values.

Post by freedom

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp
At least no more than is typical in marriages
where the man pays for the license. All we have is YOUR hysterical claims on
this score, Moore.

There's the fact that you claimed it was impossible, even though
it was and is possible.
Had you not hired the services of a mail-order-bride company, I
would have expected you to reply with something like, "While it's
possible Barbara is a mail-order-bride, she is not. Prove that she
is, if she is."
Instead, you LIED and said such a thing was impossible.

It IS impossible in Cuba.

Post by freedom
This is the same sort of thing which tripped him up when he was claiming
that it was impossible to access the internet from Cuba. He ranted for
months about whether he was in Cuba during a certain time period....and it
was proved that internet access is indeed available.

Sorry Davey - wishful thinking on your part. MY point that it was NOT
available to me was proved.

Post by freedom
The funniest part was when he posted "boarding passes" to the Photoshop
newsgroup, which were immediately recognized as fakes. By the people HE
had gone to for help, no less.

Yeah some KID chimed in with that opinion - as well as his claim to LIVING
NEXT to the CEO of American Airlines who he alleged CONFIRMED to him that
American had NO flights to Cuba, yet I was able to show they DID. Lots of
assholes say things on usenet. You fail to mention the folks who say that
the photos were NOT altered.

People can SEE for themsleves.
Loading Image...

The LIAR here is DAVID D. MOORE!! NO alterations at all Davey.




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[freedom]

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Post by krp
DAVID D. MOORE CHICAGO'S OWN COMPUTER VANDAL

........didn't author the message in question.

Post by krp

Post by freedom
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Ken has a history of forging comments into his replies to posts. This is
yet another example.....you can simply follow the thread back to see that
my post contained no such text.

YOU are the one with the track record of FORGERIES, Moore.

Projection noted. Some of your more notable forgeries are documented at
http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com.

Post by krp

Post by freedom
How could I or anyone "harass" them? No names or contact information have
EVER been provided. His website contains testimonials followed only by the
authors' initials. No full names....no addresses, e-mail or otherwise.

BULLSHIT - you got their e-mail addresses of the Falseacc list that you
have only RECENTLY admitted to have joined under a FALSE NAME!

I've never joined under a false name.

And, as you didn't know my real name as of yesterday, you're hardly
qualified to know whether I'm on your list under a false name.

I did say in the past that a few people from your list have forwarded me
posts from time to time. According to them, it's rather pathetic....rather
than helping people, you do nothing but whine about me, project me as a
stalker, and post off-color jokes.

Post by krp
You argued
with Mark for weeks,

I know of no such person. Sure this wasn't another of your sock puppet
accounts? You had dozens of these when you were using Internet Junction as
your ISP.

Post by krp
and when he wouldn't do as you tried to ORDER him to
do, you started making anonymous FALSE reports about him to the authorities
in his state. Like you did to at least TWO women on the list as well.

Post by freedom
In other words, Ken (who has a proved history of creating fake IDs to shill
for himself) could have simply written the testimonials himself.

The photos are fake too? Oh yeah, you'll claim they are "PHOTOSHOPPED."

You could have lifted the photos out of internet archives, and claimed that
they're the people in question. You were caught doing this to
Terri......you stole a photo of another woman out of the Wayback Machine
and claimed it was Terri. It's likely that any photos of your
"testimonials" were obtained in the same way.

Post by krp
As you ALWAYS do. New newspaper articles, faked too?

Post by freedom

Post by Kent Wills
Technically true. You didn't BUY Barbar the elephant (your claim
about your wife). You might have paid to have a company arrange for
you and her to meet.

AGAIN correcting the FEEBLE MINDED. It is BABAR the Elephant NOT
Barbar.

Post by freedom

Post by Kent Wills
My knowledge of mail-order-brides is very limited, but if I
understand correctly, this is what is done. The man pays a company to
arrange for a meeting.
If I am mistaken in what the fee is for, please feel free to correct
me.

How would *I*m know about such services? Since I didn't do that! I was
introduced by a friend of mine who married the daughter of my wife's
mother's best friend. He knew I was single

So, you were single in September of 2001? This is when you claim that your
"courtship" of Barbara began.

Post by krp
and he knew about my wife and
that we were both looking for the same things and had many shared values.

Barbara likes harassing women, threatening them with rape and defrauding
people on the internet? Does she have a fake degree too?

Post by krp

Post by freedom

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp
At least no more than is typical in marriages
where the man pays for the license. All we have is YOUR hysterical claims on
this score, Moore.

There's the fact that you claimed it was impossible, even though
it was and is possible.
Had you not hired the services of a mail-order-bride company, I
would have expected you to reply with something like, "While it's
possible Barbara is a mail-order-bride, she is not. Prove that she
is, if she is."
Instead, you LIED and said such a thing was impossible.

It IS impossible in Cuba.

Post by freedom
This is the same sort of thing which tripped him up when he was claiming
that it was impossible to access the internet from Cuba. He ranted for
months about whether he was in Cuba during a certain time period....and it
was proved that internet access is indeed available.

Sorry Davey - wishful thinking on your part. MY point that it was NOT
available to me was proved.

It was proven conclusively that you were lying.



http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com
The truth about Kenneth Pangborn, who supports convicted child sex
criminals

"[I have] [n]ever had [any] standing in the Texas Criminal Defense Lawyer's
Association or AN Y connection to them."
- --Ken Pangborn in a usenet post on January 1, 2009, denying affiliation
with the TCDLA, to whom he provided bogus educational credentials. His lie
is disproved here:
http://web.archive.org/web/20060822021821/www.tcdla.com/secure/experts/inde
x.shtml

"Some photo of some girl without even any documentation on THAT only proves
that YOU are a PSYCHO! A really STUPID one at that!"
- --Ken Pangborn, admitting to being a "stupid" "psycho" in message-ID
<jOp3l.292$***@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>

"The FACT is that [my mail-order wife Barbara Sanciprian] and I were
introduced in the FORMAL Spanish tradition by mutual friends, and were
married first in Cuba after 2 year courtship."
- --Ken Pangborn, admitting that he began cheating on his wife Peggy on
September 28, 2001, nearly two years before she separated from him

"I'm David Moore and I am insane!"
- --Ken Pangborn posting to alt.dads-rights.unmoderated, attempting to
claim that his name is David Moore

"If you call the police, I'll knock out all of your teeth, I'll cripple
you. I may go to prison for it, but when I get out, I'll be able to walk,
but you will still be a cripple."
- --Pangborn puppet Greg Hanson of alt.support.child-protective-services
**, in a verbal threat to his girlfriend


** - this conclusion was reached via applying Ken and Greg's logic

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[krp]

DAVID D. MOORE COMPUTER VANDAL

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Post by krp

Post by freedom
Ken has a history of forging comments into his replies to posts. This is
yet another example.....you can simply follow the thread back to see that
my post contained no such text.

YOU are the one with the track record of FORGERIES, Moore.

Projection noted. Some of your more notable forgeries are documented at
http://www.aboutken

They are YOUR FAKES, moore, NOT mine. You just accuse ME of your
handiwork.

Post by freedom

Post by krp

Post by freedom
How could I or anyone "harass" them? No names or contact information have
EVER been provided. His website contains testimonials followed only by
the authors' initials. No full names....no addresses, e-mail or
otherwise.

BULLSHIT - you got their e-mail addresses of the Falseacc list that you
have only RECENTLY admitted to have joined under a FALSE NAME!

I've never joined under a false name.

You certainly did NOT join under your own name, Moore.

Post by freedom
And, as you didn't know my real name as of yesterday, you're hardly
qualified to know whether I'm on your list under a false name.

Oh cut the shit Moore. I know EXACTLY who you are. Remember the
Bolingbook Police Department? Your HISTORY is abundant. Which you have used
several aliases from time to time, your REAL NAME is David D. Moore.

Post by freedom
I did say in the past that a few people from your list have forwarded me
posts from time to time. According to them, it's rather
pathetic....rather
than helping people, you do nothing but whine about me, project me as a
stalker, and post off-color jokes.

Your claim is a LIE, Moore. NOBODY from the list is forwarding you
anything. Besides you ADMITTED that story was a lie and that YOU are on the
list. Getting confused about your LIES, Moore?

Post by freedom

Post by krp
You argued with Mark for weeks,

I know of no such person. Sure this wasn't another of your sock puppet
accounts? You had dozens of these when you were using Internet Junction as
your ISP.

*I* didn't use IJ as my isp, TOM DID.

Post by freedom

Post by krp

Post by freedom
In other words, Ken (who has a proved history of creating fake IDs to shill
for himself) could have simply written the testimonials himself.

The photos are fake too? Oh yeah, you'll claim they are
"PHOTOSHOPPED."

You could have lifted the photos out of internet archives, and claimed that
they're the people in question.

Yet you argued with Mark and TRIED (in vain to make false reports about
him to the authorities in his state).

Post by freedom

Post by krp
As you ALWAYS do. New newspaper articles, faked too?

Post by freedom
Technically true. You didn't BUY Barbar the elephant (your claim

Post by Kent Wills
about your wife). You might have paid to have a company arrange for
you and her to meet.

AGAIN correcting the FEEBLE MINDED. It is BABAR the Elephant NOT
Barbar.

You guys can not only NOT get my ex-wife's name right, you can't even
get a BOOK title correct.

Post by freedom

Post by krp

Post by freedom

Post by Kent Wills
My knowledge of mail-order-brides is very limited, but if I
understand correctly, this is what is done. The man pays a company to
arrange for a meeting.
If I am mistaken in what the fee is for, please feel free to correct
me.

How would *I*m know about such services? Since I didn't do that! I was
introduced by a friend of mine who married the daughter of my wife's
mother's best friend. He knew I was single

So, you were single in September of 2001? This is when you claim that your
"courtship" of Barbara began.

That is NOT when I claimed it began, that when YOU claimed it began.

Post by freedom

Post by krp
and he knew about my wife and that we were both looking for the same
things and had many shared values.

Barbara likes harassing women, threatening them with rape and defrauding
people on the internet! Does she have a fake degree too?

Moore you as always are a SCUM BUCKET!

Post by freedom

Post by krp

Post by freedom

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp
At least no more than is typical in marriages
where the man pays for the license. All we have is YOUR hysterical
claims
on
this score, Moore.

There's the fact that you claimed it was impossible, even though
it was and is possible.
Had you not hired the services of a mail-order-bride company, I
would have expected you to reply with something like, "While it's
possible Barbara is a mail-order-bride, she is not. Prove that she
is, if she is."
Instead, you LIED and said such a thing was impossible.

It IS impossible in Cuba.

Post by freedom
This is the same sort of thing which tripped him up when he was claiming
that it was impossible to access the internet from Cuba. He ranted for
months about whether he was in Cuba during a certain time period....and it
was proved that internet access is indeed available.

Sorry Davey - wishful thinking on your part. MY point that it was NOT
available to me was proved.

It was proven conclusively that you were lying.

Not at all Moore. Here is visual PROOF that YOU bare a psychotic liar.

http://s283.photobucket.com/albums/kk302/kenPphotos/

You can CLAIM the images are "PHOTOSHOPPED" all you want. Anyone who knows
images will see they are NOT. Did you forget that you TRIED hystericaly to
sell Betty that they were fakes and she was too smart to buy your BULLSHIT?
As hard as you TRIED so desperately to sell her, she could tell the images
were genuine. Oh and Davey, at that time the airlines were using MECHANICAL
printers and some uneveness in ink density is common. And even slight font
misalingment. That has been true of mechanical printers since the day of the
first typewriters. Even inkjet printers aren't perfect Davey.


But there it is, Moore, the flights can be verified as well as my being a
passenger. And, Moore, look at the airport stamps from the airport in Cuba.
Your BULLSHIT is taking a BIG HIT here. And remember the "EXPERT" you have
used to support your LIES also claimed that American NEVER flew to Cuba. He
claimed the CEO of American lived next door to him and TOLD HIM PERSONALLY
that they NEVER flew to Cuba. (BTW they STILL are.) Do you need to be
SPANKED on THAT issue again, Davey? Amazing you claim that I *DID* have
access to computers and at the same time you TRY to argue I was never there.
Interesting Polish logic, Davey. How exactly could I have access to
computers in Cuba if your claim that I was NEVER THERE were true?



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[freedom]

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DAVID D. MOORE COMPUTER VANDAL

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Post by krp

Post by freedom
Ken has a history of forging comments into his replies to posts. This is
yet another example.....you can simply follow the thread back to see that
my post contained no such text.

YOU are the one with the track record of FORGERIES, Moore.

Projection noted. Some of your more notable forgeries are documented at
http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com

They are YOUR FAKES, moore, NOT mine. You just accuse ME of your
handiwork.

Which would explain why you had to alter the link to
http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com in your reply? No worries, I'll simply put
it back so anyone can click and see what a fraud you are.

Post by krp

Post by freedom

Post by krp

Post by freedom
How could I or anyone "harass" them? No names or contact information have
EVER been provided. His website contains testimonials followed only by
the authors' initials. No full names....no addresses, e-mail or
otherwise.

BULLSHIT - you got their e-mail addresses of the Falseacc list that you
have only RECENTLY admitted to have joined under a FALSE NAME!

I've never joined under a false name.

You certainly did NOT join under your own name, Moore.

Post by freedom
And, as you didn't know my real name as of yesterday, you're hardly
qualified to know whether I'm on your list under a false name.

Oh cut the shit Moore. I know EXACTLY who you are.

As you incorrectly referred to me with a middle name of "Daniel" yesterday,
it's obvious that you have no clue who I am.

Post by krp
Remember the
Bolingbook Police Department?

No.

Post by krp
Your HISTORY is abundant. Which you have used
several aliases from time to time, your REAL NAME is David D. Moore.

I haven't claimed otherwise. You, however, have made numerous guesses as
to what the middle initial stands for. Each time, you've claimed that you
obtained it from legal documents (although in two of these cases, you got
it from bread crumbs which were left for you). Despite this, you've never
gotten it right.

Post by krp

Post by freedom
I did say in the past that a few people from your list have forwarded me
posts from time to time. According to them, it's rather
pathetic....rather
than helping people, you do nothing but whine about me, project me as a
stalker, and post off-color jokes.

Your claim is a LIE, Moore. NOBODY from the list is forwarding you
anything. Besides you ADMITTED that story was a lie and that YOU are on the
list. Getting confused about your LIES, Moore?

Post by freedom

Post by krp
You argued with Mark for weeks,

I know of no such person. Sure this wasn't another of your sock puppet
accounts? You had dozens of these when you were using Internet Junction as
your ISP.

*I* didn't use IJ as my isp, TOM DID.

But....but....."he" claimed "his" name was John. Oops, can't keep your
lies straight?

Post by krp

Post by freedom

Post by krp

Post by freedom
In other words, Ken (who has a proved history of creating fake IDs to shill
for himself) could have simply written the testimonials himself.

The photos are fake too? Oh yeah, you'll claim they are
"PHOTOSHOPPED."

You could have lifted the photos out of internet archives, and claimed that
they're the people in question.

Yet you argued with Mark and TRIED (in vain to make false reports about
him to the authorities in his state).

Post by freedom

Post by krp
As you ALWAYS do. New newspaper articles, faked too?

Post by freedom
Technically true. You didn't BUY Barbar the elephant (your claim

Post by Kent Wills
about your wife). You might have paid to have a company arrange for
you and her to meet.

AGAIN correcting the FEEBLE MINDED. It is BABAR the Elephant NOT
Barbar.

You guys can not only NOT get my ex-wife's name right, you can't even
get a BOOK title correct.

Post by freedom

Post by krp

Post by freedom

Post by Kent Wills
My knowledge of mail-order-brides is very limited, but if I
understand correctly, this is what is done. The man pays a company to
arrange for a meeting.
If I am mistaken in what the fee is for, please feel free to correct
me.

How would *I*m know about such services? Since I didn't do that! I was
introduced by a friend of mine who married the daughter of my wife's
mother's best friend. He knew I was single

So, you were single in September of 2001? This is when you claim that your
"courtship" of Barbara began.

That is NOT when I claimed it began, that when YOU claimed it began.

You claimed that you married her in September 2003. You then claimed that
prior to marrying her, you "courted" her for two years "in the Spanish
tradition."

September 2003, minus two years, is September 2001. Seriously, you should
consider getting some form of education before I humiliate you even more.

Post by krp

Post by freedom

Post by krp
and he knew about my wife and that we were both looking for the same
things and had many shared values.

Barbara likes harassing women, threatening them with rape and defrauding
people on the internet! Does she have a fake degree too?

Moore you as always are a SCUM BUCKET!

Truth hurts, doesn't it?

http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com
The truth about Kenneth Pangborn, who supports convicted child sex
criminals

"[I have] [n]ever had [any] standing in the Texas Criminal Defense Lawyer's
Association or AN Y connection to them."
- --Ken Pangborn in a usenet post on January 1, 2009, denying affiliation
with the TCDLA, to whom he provided bogus educational credentials. His lie
is disproved here:
http://web.archive.org/web/20060822021821/www.tcdla.com/secure/experts/inde
x.shtml

"Some photo of some girl without even any documentation on THAT only proves
that YOU are a PSYCHO! A really STUPID one at that!"
- --Ken Pangborn, admitting to being a "stupid" "psycho" in message-ID
<jOp3l.292$***@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>

"The FACT is that [my mail-order wife Barbara Sanciprian] and I were
introduced in the FORMAL Spanish tradition by mutual friends, and were
married first in Cuba after 2 year courtship."
- --Ken Pangborn, admitting that he began cheating on his wife Peggy on
September 28, 2001, nearly two years before she separated from him

"I'm David Moore and I am insane!"
- --Ken Pangborn posting to alt.dads-rights.unmoderated, attempting to
claim that his name is David Moore

"If you call the police, I'll knock out all of your teeth, I'll cripple
you. I may go to prison for it, but when I get out, I'll be able to walk,
but you will still be a cripple."
- --Pangborn puppet Greg Hanson of alt.support.child-protective-services
**, in a verbal threat to his girlfriend


** - this conclusion was reached via applying Ken and Greg's logic

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[KRP]

David D. Moore

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Post by freedom

Post by krp

Post by freedom
How could I or anyone "harass" them? No names or contact information have
EVER been provided. His website contains testimonials followed only by
the authors' initials. No full names....no addresses, e-mail or
otherwise.

BULLSHIT - you got their e-mail addresses of the Falseacc list that you
have only RECENTLY admitted to have joined under a FALSE NAME!

I've never joined under a false name.

You certainly did NOT join under your own name, Moore.

Post by freedom
And, as you didn't know my real name as of yesterday, you're hardly
qualified to know whether I'm on your list under a false name.

Oh cut the shit Moore. I know EXACTLY who you are.

As you incorrectly referred to me with a middle name of "Daniel" yesterday,
it's obvious that you have no clue who I am.

Post by krp
Remember the
Bolingbook Police Department?

No.

Funny, Davey, they remember YOU!!!

Post by freedom

Post by krp
Your claim is a LIE, Moore. NOBODY from the list is forwarding you
anything. Besides you ADMITTED that story was a lie and that YOU are on the
list. Getting confused about your LIES, Moore?

Post by freedom

Post by krp
You argued with Mark for weeks,

I know of no such person. Sure this wasn't another of your sock puppet
accounts? You had dozens of these when you were using Internet Junction
as our ISP.

*I* didn't use IJ as my isp, TOM DID.

But....but....."he" claimed "his" name was John. Oops, can't keep your
lies straight?

That was Kaiserdrvr.

Post by freedom

Post by krp

Post by freedom

Post by krp

Post by freedom
In other words, Ken (who has a proved history of creating fake IDs to shill
for himself) could have simply written the testimonials himself.

The photos are fake too? Oh yeah, you'll claim they are
"PHOTOSHOPPED."

You could have lifted the photos out of internet archives, and claimed that
they're the people in question.

Yet you argued with Mark and TRIED (in vain to make false reports about
him to the authorities in his state).

Post by freedom

Post by krp
As you ALWAYS do. New newspaper articles, faked too?

Post by freedom
Technically true. You didn't BUY Barbar the elephant (your claim

Post by Kent Wills
about your wife). You might have paid to have a company arrange for
you and her to meet.

AGAIN correcting the FEEBLE MINDED. It is BABAR the Elephant NOT
Barbar.

You guys can not only NOT get my ex-wife's name right, you can't even
get a BOOK title correct.

Post by freedom

Post by krp

Post by freedom

Post by Kent Wills
My knowledge of mail-order-brides is very limited, but if I
understand correctly, this is what is done. The man pays a company to
arrange for a meeting.
If I am mistaken in what the fee is for, please feel free to correct
me.

How would *I*m know about such services? Since I didn't do that! I was
introduced by a friend of mine who married the daughter of my wife's
mother's best friend. He knew I was single

So, you were single in September of 2001? This is when you claim that your
"courtship" of Barbara began.

That is NOT when I claimed it began, that when YOU claimed it began.

You claimed that you married her in September 2003. You then claimed that
prior to marrying her, you "courted" her for two years "in the Spanish
tradition."
September 2003, minus two years, is September 2001. Seriously, you should
consider getting some form of education before I humiliate you even more.

Follow the bouncing ball Davey, SEPARATED in 2001.Married in 2004, not
2003.

Post by freedom

Post by krp

Post by freedom

Post by krp
and he knew about my wife and that we were both looking for the same
things and had many shared values.

Barbara likes harassing women, threatening them with rape and defrauding
people on the internet! Does she have a fake degree too?

Moore you as always are a SCUM BUCKET!

Truth hurts, doesn't it?

The truth isn't hurting me, Davay, but YOUR ass is bleeding.

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David D. Moore

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Post by freedom

Post by krp

Post by freedom
How could I or anyone "harass" them? No names or contact information have
EVER been provided. His website contains testimonials followed only by
the authors' initials. No full names....no addresses, e-mail or
otherwise.

BULLSHIT - you got their e-mail addresses of the Falseacc list that you
have only RECENTLY admitted to have joined under a FALSE NAME!

I've never joined under a false name.

You certainly did NOT join under your own name, Moore.

Post by freedom
And, as you didn't know my real name as of yesterday, you're hardly
qualified to know whether I'm on your list under a false name.

Oh cut the shit Moore. I know EXACTLY who you are.

As you incorrectly referred to me with a middle name of "Daniel" yesterday,
it's obvious that you have no clue who I am.

Post by krp
Remember the
Bolingbook Police Department?

No.

Funny, Davey, they remember YOU!!!

Says a liar from Florida.

Post by krp

Post by freedom

Post by krp
Your claim is a LIE, Moore. NOBODY from the list is forwarding you
anything. Besides you ADMITTED that story was a lie and that YOU are on the
list. Getting confused about your LIES, Moore?

Post by freedom

Post by krp
You argued with Mark for weeks,

I know of no such person. Sure this wasn't another of your sock puppet
accounts? You had dozens of these when you were using Internet Junction
as our ISP.

*I* didn't use IJ as my isp, TOM DID.

But....but....."he" claimed "his" name was John. Oops, can't keep your
lies straight?

That was Kaiserdrvr.

Here's a post from your Internet Junction account, where you identify
yourself as John:

http://groups.google.com/group/misc.legal/msg/77f2c192ee0ee644?hl=en&dmode=
source

Here's another:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics/msg/b8c3792d9e01f5cb?hl=en&dmod
e=source

Here's another:

http://groups.google.com/group/milw.general/msg/4b9923262b9201ce?hl=en&dmod
e=source

Need me to nail your fat ass to the wall any further?

Terri proved conclusively that the account belonged to you. This was the
reason you began stalking her, falsely associating her with me, etc. etc.

The KaiserDrvr account was also proved to be you. On numerous occasions,
you slipped up and posted from both accounts as yourself.
http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com contains proof of this.

Post by krp

Post by freedom

Post by krp

Post by freedom

Post by krp

Post by freedom
In other words, Ken (who has a proved history of creating fake IDs to shill
for himself) could have simply written the testimonials himself.

The photos are fake too? Oh yeah, you'll claim they are
"PHOTOSHOPPED."

You could have lifted the photos out of internet archives, and claimed that
they're the people in question.

Yet you argued with Mark and TRIED (in vain to make false reports about
him to the authorities in his state).

Post by freedom

Post by krp
As you ALWAYS do. New newspaper articles, faked too?

Post by freedom
Technically true. You didn't BUY Barbar the elephant (your claim

Post by Kent Wills
about your wife). You might have paid to have a company arrange for
you and her to meet.

AGAIN correcting the FEEBLE MINDED. It is BABAR the Elephant NOT
Barbar.

You guys can not only NOT get my ex-wife's name right, you can't even
get a BOOK title correct.

Post by freedom

Post by krp

Post by freedom

Post by Kent Wills
My knowledge of mail-order-brides is very limited, but if I
understand correctly, this is what is done. The man pays a company to
arrange for a meeting.
If I am mistaken in what the fee is for, please feel free to correct
me.

How would *I*m know about such services? Since I didn't do that! I was
introduced by a friend of mine who married the daughter of my wife's
mother's best friend. He knew I was single

So, you were single in September of 2001? This is when you claim that your
"courtship" of Barbara began.

That is NOT when I claimed it began, that when YOU claimed it began.

You claimed that you married her in September 2003. You then claimed that
prior to marrying her, you "courted" her for two years "in the Spanish
tradition."
September 2003, minus two years, is September 2001. Seriously, you should
consider getting some form of education before I humiliate you even more.

Follow the bouncing ball Davey, SEPARATED in 2001.

Megan says it was the summer of 2002. Unlike you, I haven't caught and
exposed her in literally thousands of lies....so my instinct would be to
believe her over you.

Post by krp
Married in 2004, not
2003.

Then you lied. You once claimed you married her in 2003.

Post by krp

Post by freedom

Post by krp

Post by freedom

Post by krp
and he knew about my wife and that we were both looking for the same
things and had many shared values.

Barbara likes harassing women, threatening them with rape and defrauding
people on the internet! Does she have a fake degree too?

Moore you as always are a SCUM BUCKET!

Truth hurts, doesn't it?

The truth isn't hurting me, Davay, but YOUR ass is bleeding.

On the contrary, I believe http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com is hurting you a
great deal. That's why you snip the URL in your replies whenever you can,
like a frightened child.

http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com
The truth about Kenneth Pangborn, who supports convicted child sex
criminals

"[I have] [n]ever had [any] standing in the Texas Criminal Defense Lawyer's
Association or AN Y connection to them."
- --Ken Pangborn in a usenet post on January 1, 2009, denying affiliation
with the TCDLA, to whom he provided bogus educational credentials. His lie
is disproved here:
http://web.archive.org/web/20060822021821/www.tcdla.com/secure/experts/inde
x.shtml

"Some photo of some girl without even any documentation on THAT only proves
that YOU are a PSYCHO! A really STUPID one at that!"
- --Ken Pangborn, admitting to being a "stupid" "psycho" in message-ID
<jOp3l.292$***@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>

"The FACT is that [my mail-order wife Barbara Sanciprian] and I were
introduced in the FORMAL Spanish tradition by mutual friends, and were
married first in Cuba after 2 year courtship."
- --Ken Pangborn, admitting that he began cheating on his wife Peggy on
September 28, 2001, nearly two years before she separated from him

"I'm David Moore and I am insane!"
- --Ken Pangborn posting to alt.dads-rights.unmoderated, attempting to
claim that his name is David Moore

"If you call the police, I'll knock out all of your teeth, I'll cripple
you. I may go to prison for it, but when I get out, I'll be able to walk,
but you will still be a cripple."
- --Pangborn puppet Greg Hanson of alt.support.child-protective-services
**, in a verbal threat to his girlfriend


** - this conclusion was reached via applying Ken and Greg's logic

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harassment,child abuse,domestic violence,rape allegations,false allegations
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assault,child molestation,reactive attachment disorder,penile
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More-keywords: KRP CONSULTING. False allegations of child abuse, false
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Extra-keywords: Julito Sainz,craig clawson,lia yisell

[Kent Wills]

On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 10:39:01 +0200, freedom
<***@aboutISkenApangbornFRAUD.com> wrote:

[...]

Post by freedom

Post by KRP

Post by freedom
As you incorrectly referred to me with a middle name of "Daniel" yesterday,
it's obvious that you have no clue who I am.

Post by krp
Remember the
Bolingbook Police Department?

No.

Funny, Davey, they remember YOU!!!

Says a liar from Florida.

While Ken CAN be honest, the effort is typically too great for
him.

[...]

Post by freedom

Post by KRP

Post by freedom

Post by krp
*I* didn't use IJ as my isp, TOM DID.

But....but....."he" claimed "his" name was John. Oops, can't keep your
lies straight?

That was Kaiserdrvr.

Here's a post from your Internet Junction account, where you identify
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.legal/msg/77f2c192ee0ee644?hl=en&dmode=
source
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics/msg/b8c3792d9e01f5cb?hl=en&dmod
e=source
http://groups.google.com/group/milw.general/msg/4b9923262b9201ce?hl=en&dmod
e=source
Need me to nail your fat ass to the wall any further?

I expect Pangborn to RUN from this thread. Or, at the very
least, dishonestly snip the proof you've posted.

Post by freedom
Terri proved conclusively that the account belonged to you. This was the
reason you began stalking her, falsely associating her with me, etc. etc.
The KaiserDrvr account was also proved to be you. On numerous occasions,
you slipped up and posted from both accounts as yourself.
http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com contains proof of this.

What's perhaps most sad is that Pangborn thinks his behavior is
normal.

[...]

Post by freedom

Post by KRP

Post by freedom

Post by krp

Post by freedom
So, you were single in September of 2001? This is when you claim that your
"courtship" of Barbara began.

That is NOT when I claimed it began, that when YOU claimed it began.

You claimed that you married her in September 2003. You then claimed that
prior to marrying her, you "courted" her for two years "in the Spanish
tradition."
September 2003, minus two years, is September 2001. Seriously, you should
consider getting some form of education before I humiliate you even more.

Follow the bouncing ball Davey, SEPARATED in 2001.

Megan says it was the summer of 2002. Unlike you, I haven't caught and
exposed her in literally thousands of lies....so my instinct would be to
believe her over you.

Post by KRP
Married in 2004, not
2003.

Then you lied. You once claimed you married her in 2003.

Which wedding? The one they had in Cuba so that she could leave
(even though, according to Ken Fidel Castro ordered the plane to turn
around), or the one in the U.S. so that Barbara wouldn't be deported?
For any new readers, Ken actually claimed that he married Barbara
in the U.S. so that she could stay. That, as a Cuban, she couldn't be
deported without one heck of a good reason, didn't matter to Ken.

Post by freedom

Post by KRP

Post by freedom

Post by krp

Post by freedom

Post by krp
and he knew about my wife and that we were both looking for the same
things and had many shared values.

Barbara likes harassing women, threatening them with rape and defrauding
people on the internet! Does she have a fake degree too?

Moore you as always are a SCUM BUCKET!

Truth hurts, doesn't it?

The truth isn't hurting me, Davay, but YOUR ass is bleeding.

On the contrary, I believe http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com is hurting you a
great deal. That's why you snip the URL in your replies whenever you can,
like a frightened child.

I can't know, of course, but I have to suspect some people check
the link simply because his alters it. Some people will want to know
why.

Post by freedom
http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com
The truth about Kenneth Pangborn, who supports convicted child sex
criminals

"CPS cases are legal matters. Offering advice IS practicing law
without a license."
Kenneth Robert Pangborn admitting he practices law without a
license in misc.legal

[krp]

DAVID MOORE COMPUTER VANDAL

Post by freedom
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Post by KRP

Post by freedom

Post by krp

Post by freedom

Post by krp

Post by freedom
How could I or anyone "harass" them? No names or contact
information
have
EVER been provided. His website contains testimonials followed only by
the authors' initials. No full names....no addresses, e-mail or
otherwise.

BULLSHIT - you got their e-mail addresses of the Falseacc list
that
you
have only RECENTLY admitted to have joined under a FALSE NAME!

I've never joined under a false name.

You certainly did NOT join under your own name, Moore.

Post by freedom
And, as you didn't know my real name as of yesterday, you're hardly
qualified to know whether I'm on your list under a false name.

Oh cut the shit Moore. I know EXACTLY who you are.

As you incorrectly referred to me with a middle name of "Daniel" yesterday,
it's obvious that you have no clue who I am.

Post by krp
Remember the
Bolingbook Police Department?

No.

Funny, Davey, they remember YOU!!!

Says a liar from Florida.

Does the name DETECTIVE DAN TOOMEY ring a bell for ya Davey?

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[Borked]

Post by KRP
DAVID MOORE COMPUTER VANDAL

Post by freedom
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Post by KRP

Post by freedom

Post by krp

Post by freedom

Post by krp

Post by freedom
How could I or anyone "harass" them? No names or contact
information
have
EVER been provided. His website contains testimonials followed only by
the authors' initials. No full names....no addresses, e-mail or
otherwise.

BULLSHIT - you got their e-mail addresses of the Falseacc list
that
you
have only RECENTLY admitted to have joined under a FALSE NAME!

I've never joined under a false name.

You certainly did NOT join under your own name, Moore.

Post by freedom
And, as you didn't know my real name as of yesterday, you're hardly
qualified to know whether I'm on your list under a false name.

Oh cut the shit Moore. I know EXACTLY who you are.

As you incorrectly referred to me with a middle name of "Daniel" yesterday,
it's obvious that you have no clue who I am.

Post by krp
Remember the
Bolingbook Police Department?

No.

Funny, Davey, they remember YOU!!!

Says a liar from Florida.

Does the name DETECTIVE DAN TOOMEY ring a bell for ya Davey?

Why, yes. He was the detective who you invited me to contact, who would
verify all of your claims about David. Only thing was, when I called your
bluff and actually contacted the guy, he did NOT corroborate your story.

Hi Kenny! Still no life, I see.

Rich

[Kent Wills]

On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 07:05:31 +0200, "Borked"
<***@spamexpire-200909.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> wrote:

[...]

Post by Borked

Post by krp

Post by freedom

Post by KRP

Post by krp
Remember the
Bolingbook Police Department?

No.

Funny, Davey, they remember YOU!!!

Says a liar from Florida.

Does the name DETECTIVE DAN TOOMEY ring a bell for ya Davey?

Why, yes. He was the detective who you invited me to contact, who would
verify all of your claims about David. Only thing was, when I called your
bluff and actually contacted the guy, he did NOT corroborate your story.

BURN!

Post by Borked
Hi Kenny! Still no life, I see.

He's too busy chugging booze, unless he lied when he claimed
alcoholism is what caused him to be found legally insane (another
claim he made) to have a life.

"I am insane!"
--Kenneth Robert Pangborn, of KRP Consulting and The A-team,
posting to alt.dads-rights.unmoderated claiming that he was found
legally insane.

[krp]

Post by Borked

Post by KRP
DAVID MOORE COMPUTER VANDAL

Post by freedom
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

Post by KRP

Post by freedom

Post by krp

Post by freedom

Post by krp

Post by freedom
How could I or anyone "harass" them? No names or contact
information
have
EVER been provided. His website contains testimonials followed
only
by
the authors' initials. No full names....no addresses, e-mail or
otherwise.

BULLSHIT - you got their e-mail addresses of the Falseacc list
that
you
have only RECENTLY admitted to have joined under a FALSE NAME!

I've never joined under a false name.

You certainly did NOT join under your own name, Moore.

Post by freedom
And, as you didn't know my real name as of yesterday, you're hardly
qualified to know whether I'm on your list under a false name.

Oh cut the shit Moore. I know EXACTLY who you are.

As you incorrectly referred to me with a middle name of "Daniel" yesterday,
it's obvious that you have no clue who I am.

Post by krp
Remember the
Bolingbook Police Department?

No.

Funny, Davey, they remember YOU!!!

Says a liar from Florida.

Does the name DETECTIVE DAN TOOMEY ring a bell for ya Davey?

Why, yes. He was the detective who you invited me to contact, who would
verify all of your claims about David. Only thing was, when I called your
bluff and actually contacted the guy, he did NOT corroborate your story.

SO you SAY. Moore. But thanks for admitting he EXISTS.

[Borked]

Post by krp

Post by Borked

Post by KRP
DAVID MOORE COMPUTER VANDAL

Post by freedom
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

Post by KRP

Post by freedom

Post by krp

Post by freedom

Post by krp

Post by freedom
How could I or anyone "harass" them? No names or contact
information
have
EVER been provided. His website contains testimonials followed
only
by
the authors' initials. No full names....no addresses, e-mail or
otherwise.

BULLSHIT - you got their e-mail addresses of the Falseacc list
that
you
have only RECENTLY admitted to have joined under a FALSE NAME!

I've never joined under a false name.

You certainly did NOT join under your own name, Moore.

Post by freedom
And, as you didn't know my real name as of yesterday, you're hardly
qualified to know whether I'm on your list under a false name.

Oh cut the shit Moore. I know EXACTLY who you are.

As you incorrectly referred to me with a middle name of "Daniel" yesterday,
it's obvious that you have no clue who I am.

Post by krp
Remember the
Bolingbook Police Department?

No.

Funny, Davey, they remember YOU!!!

Says a liar from Florida.

Does the name DETECTIVE DAN TOOMEY ring a bell for ya Davey?

Why, yes. He was the detective who you invited me to contact, who would
verify all of your claims about David. Only thing was, when I called your
bluff and actually contacted the guy, he did NOT corroborate your story.

SO you SAY. Moore. But thanks for admitting he EXISTS.

I'm not "Moore". Paranoid much?

Rich

[Kent Wills]

On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:50:49 +0200, "Borked"
<***@spamexpire-200909.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> wrote:

[...]

Post by Borked

Post by krp

Post by Borked

Post by krp

Post by freedom

Post by KRP

Post by krp
Remember the
Bolingbook Police Department?

No.

Funny, Davey, they remember YOU!!!

Says a liar from Florida.

Does the name DETECTIVE DAN TOOMEY ring a bell for ya Davey?

Why, yes. He was the detective who you invited me to contact, who would
verify all of your claims about David. Only thing was, when I called your
bluff and actually contacted the guy, he did NOT corroborate your story.

SO you SAY. Moore. But thanks for admitting he EXISTS.

I'm not "Moore". Paranoid much?

Kenneth Robert Pangborn has claimed there is a MASSIVE COALITION
FORCE out to get him. He believes, quite firmly, that David Moore is
the leader.
Of course, Pangborn also claims David can edit posts archived on
Google (see sig). Clearly Kenneth Robert Pangborn, owner/operator of
KRP Consulting and The A-Team, is not a mentally sound person.


"you are reading Moore's SELECTIVE material that is HIGHLY edited."
Kenneth Robert Pangborn claiming in misc.legal that David Moore can
and does edit Google's Usenet archive.
Message-ID: <n9Sfm.1372$***@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>

[krp]

Post by Kent Wills
Kenneth Robert Pangborn has claimed there is a MASSIVE COALITION
FORCE out to get him. He believes, quite firmly, that David Moore is
the leader.

Moore is the one who CLAIMED to head the "COALITION FORCES." YOU claim
to have been abducted by space aliens who did bizarre sexual things to you
and that their spacecraft orbit the Earth looking for "EARTH PUSSY!" (Which
explains their interest in YOU.) But, I don't actually believe in the
existence of EITHER Moore's MASSIVE COALITION FORCES, OR your notion of
horny Space Aliens in orbit. Moore's COALITION FORCES is HIS problem, the
ALIENS are YOURS! I know that neither really exist.

[Kent Wills]

Post by krp

Post by Kent Wills
Kenneth Robert Pangborn has claimed there is a MASSIVE COALITION
FORCE out to get him. He believes, quite firmly, that David Moore is
the leader.

Moore is the one who CLAIMED to head the "COALITION FORCES."

Liar.
I'd ask you to prove you're claim, but having done that numerous
times, with you RUNNING from each request, I've accepted it's another
of your paranoid delusions.

Post by krp
YOU claim
to have been abducted by space aliens who did bizarre sexual things to you
and that their spacecraft orbit the Earth looking for "EARTH PUSSY!"

Liar.

Post by krp
(Which
explains their interest in YOU.) But, I don't actually believe in the
existence of EITHER Moore's MASSIVE COALITION FORCES, OR your notion of
horny Space Aliens in orbit.

Yet you've claimed to KNOW there is a MASSIVE COALITION FORCE out
to get you, and that David Moore is the leader.

Post by krp
Moore's COALITION FORCES is HIS problem, the
ALIENS are YOURS! I know that neither really exist.

You've claimed there is such a force. And by association, you
MUST also believe in the aliens your drunken delusions force you to
project onto me.

"Maybe he's like me to attach some kiddie porn to aid his fantasies"
Kenneth Robert Pangborn, of KRP Consulting and The A-Team, expressing
his fondness for child porn in
Message-ID:
<RECUi.494$Q%***@trnddc04>

[krp]

Post by Borked

Post by krp

Post by freedom
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Post by krp

Post by freedom

Post by KRP

Post by freedom

Post by krp

Post by freedom

Post by krp

Post by freedom
How could I or anyone "harass" them? No names or contact
information
have
EVER been provided. His website contains testimonials followed
only
by
the authors' initials. No full names....no addresses, e-mail or
otherwise.

BULLSHIT - you got their e-mail addresses of the Falseacc list
that
you
have only RECENTLY admitted to have joined under a FALSE NAME!

I've never joined under a false name.

You certainly did NOT join under your own name, Moore.

Post by freedom
And, as you didn't know my real name as of yesterday, you're hardly
qualified to know whether I'm on your list under a false name.

Oh cut the shit Moore. I know EXACTLY who you are.

As you incorrectly referred to me with a middle name of "Daniel"
yesterday, it's obvious that you have no clue who I am.

Post by krp
Remember the
Bolingbook Police Department?

No.

Funny, Davey, they remember YOU!!!

Says a liar from Florida.

Does the name DETECTIVE DAN TOOMEY ring a bell for ya Davey?

Why, yes. He was the detective who you invited me to contact, who would
verify all of your claims about David. Only thing was, when I called your
bluff and actually contacted the guy, he did NOT corroborate your story.

SO you SAY. Moore. But thanks for admitting he EXISTS.

I'm not "Moore". Paranoid much?

Yeah right. Of COURSE you're NOT "rich!" Wink Wink.

[Kent Wills]

On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:19:18 GMT, "krp" <***@verizon.net> wrote:

[...]
Do you suggest my knowledge of mail-order-brides is more vast
than I present?
If that is your claim, please offer the evidence that I know more
than I claim.

Post by krp

Post by freedom

Post by Kent Wills
My knowledge of mail-order-brides is very limited, but if I
understand correctly, this is what is done. The man pays a company to
arrange for a meeting.
If I am mistaken in what the fee is for, please feel free to correct
me.

How would *I*m know about such services? Since I didn't do that! I was
introduced by a friend of mine who married the daughter of my wife's
mother's best friend. He knew I was single and he knew about my wife and
that we were both looking for the same things and had many shared values.

Maybe so, maybe no.
There is, of course, no way for us to KNOW. However, that you
LIED and claims such a thing was impossible gives reason to suspect
you were lying.

Post by krp

Post by freedom

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp
At least no more than is typical in marriages
where the man pays for the license. All we have is YOUR hysterical claims on
this score, Moore.

There's the fact that you claimed it was impossible, even though
it was and is possible.
Had you not hired the services of a mail-order-bride company, I
would have expected you to reply with something like, "While it's
possible Barbara is a mail-order-bride, she is not. Prove that she
is, if she is."
Instead, you LIED and said such a thing was impossible.

It IS impossible in Cuba.

I proved it was possible. This didn't, and doesn't, prove the
woman you married and now claim to be an elephant was/is a
mail-order-bride. Only that you LIED when you claimed it was
impossible.

Post by krp

Post by freedom
This is the same sort of thing which tripped him up when he was claiming
that it was impossible to access the internet from Cuba. He ranted for
months about whether he was in Cuba during a certain time period....and it
was proved that internet access is indeed available.

Sorry Davey - wishful thinking on your part. MY point that it was NOT
available to me was proved.

No it wasn't. The matter hasn't been proved one way or the
other.
Contrary to your claims, access was available in Cuba. And the
family of a judge would have been able to arrange transportation for
you.
Heck, you could have traveled with Barbara when she left for work
in the morning. Unless you're going to try and claim you didn't spend
time with her when you were in Cuba.

Post by krp

Post by freedom
The funniest part was when he posted "boarding passes" to the Photoshop
newsgroup, which were immediately recognized as fakes. By the people HE
had gone to for help, no less.

Yeah some KID chimed in with that opinion - as well as his claim to LIVING
NEXT to the CEO of American Airlines who he alleged CONFIRMED to him that
American had NO flights to Cuba, yet I was able to show they DID.

Odd that his claim of living next to the CEO was and is yours
alone.

Post by krp
Lots of
assholes say things on usenet. You fail to mention the folks who say that
the photos were NOT altered.

No one in the group claimed they were not altered.

Post by krp
People can SEE for themsleves.
http://web.archive.org/web/20040218162016/www.krpconsulting.net/nav01/ticket_01.jpeg
The LIAR here is DAVID D. MOORE!! NO alterations at all Davey.

Why don't you link to the scan that got everyone to claim they
look fake?

"CPS cases are legal matters. Offering advice IS practicing law
without a license."
Kenneth Robert Pangborn admitting he practices law without a
license in misc.legal

[krp]

Do you suggest my knowledge of mail-order-brides is more vast than I
present?

You post as an "AUTHORITY" on the subject. Another of your
self-delusions.

If that is your claim, please offer the evidence that I know more
than I claim.

There is NO such evidence because you only CLAIM to know the subject. I
can't claim you know what you ONVIOUSLY don't know the first thing about.
However, your TOTAL lack of knowledge, Kunt, has NEVER stopped you from
making iron-clad claims on that subject.

Post by freedom

Post by Kent Wills
My knowledge of mail-order-brides is very limited, but if I
understand correctly, this is what is done. The man pays a company to
arrange for a meeting.
If I am mistaken in what the fee is for, please feel free to correct
me.

How would *I* know about such services? Since I didn't do that! I was
introduced by a friend of mine who married the daughter of my wife's
mother's best friend. He knew I was single and he knew about my wife and
that we were both looking for the same things and had many shared values.

Maybe so, maybe no.

IF we were in a court of law and HAD to prove it, I could and would.
However the means by which my wife and I met is documented in her US-CIS
file complete with affidavits from the other people involved.

There is, of course, no way for us to KNOW. However, that you
LIED and claims such a thing was impossible gives reason to suspect
you were lying.

You did NOT "prove" that "mail order brides from CUBA" were possible.
You made a great deal of NOISE, but NONE of the facts proved your point.
Although the website YOU cited says in parts that it HAS "mail order brides
from Cuba" when you get to the actual PAGE - it admits it does NOT! Being
the MORON that you are (Polack) your argument trips all over itself. U.S.
LAW to get a woman into the U.S. (as per YOUR drunken claims) requires that
the people have actually met face to face and present PROOF of such a
meeting. THAT is the LAW, Kunt. It's not your POLISH law, it is the LAW of
the United States. So the couple would have had to meet either here or in
Cuba. It is also LAW that U.S. citizens who are NOT Cuban cannot travel to
Cuba. So such a service would run into loads of LEGAL problems in the United
States alone. NOT to mention that such services that arrange marriage
between Cubans and foreginers are illegal in Cuba. There is no LEGAL WAY
for such an outfit to get the American into Cuba. (See Office of Foreign
Assetts Control). Your argument just sputters like water drops on white hot
steel. There MAY be outfits that make those claims, but they would be SCAMS
that take your money and run. I went to Cuba LEGALLY.

Post by freedom

Post by Kent Wills
Had you not hired the services of a mail-order-bride company, I
would have expected you to reply with something like, "While it's
possible Barbara is a mail-order-bride, she is not. Prove that she
is, if she is."
Instead, you LIED and said such a thing was impossible.

It IS impossible in Cuba.

I proved it was possible.

No, Kunt, you CLAIMED it was possible. For all your NOISE your proof
failed.

This didn't, and doesn't, prove the woman you married and now claim to
be an elephant was/is a
mail-order-bride. Only that you LIED when you claimed it was impossible.

You proved NO such thing. And in your usual POLACK best you STILL don't
realize that the elephant in the book is "BABAR" and NOT "Barbar." Nice TRY
fopr a BRAIN DEAD POLACK!

Sorry Davey - wishful thinking on your part. MY point that it was NOT
available to me was proved.

No it wasn't. The matter hasn't been proved one way or the other.

Sure it was proved. The only POSSIBLE place I could ahve had Internet
Access was at a MAJOR HOTEL, and I was 60 miles away from the nearest one on
that trip. Although you TRY to argue that I copuld ahve had access at other
places, your claims are BULLSHIT. 100% POLACK BULLSHIT.

Contrary to your claims, access was available in Cuba. And the
family of a judge would have been able to arrange transportation for
you.

You are simply FULL OF SHIT. Again you TRY to presnet yourself as an
"EXPERT" on Cuba. You are 200% clueless about how things work there. Let's
go down the list of places that YOU (as the EXPERT on Cuba) and your pals
have claimed I "could have posted to usenet" from. Tell me about the
availability of gasoline in Cuba for little personal junkets even IF they
owned a car.

1. A hotel. (None within 60 miles of where I was)

2. At ETECSA (Phone compan) which in Holguin did NOT have a computer kiosk.

3. At the post office. They are for Cubans and NOT foreigners. You must BUY
cards to use them. Foreigners could not. And the systems did NOT have
access to anything but E-MAIL. Now before you get into your RAMPAGING
BULLSHIT gthat E--mail IS the internet - as to your other STUPID (hence
POLACK) arguments . . to post to USENET you will need software to accomplish
this little feet. A newsreader or mail to news gateway. How would one get it
ON the machines, Kunt? There are NO floppy drives and NO USB ports. How
would YOU as a CRACK Polish Computer Engineer get it on the system?
Download it? At 1200 baud? From WHERE? How? The machines DON'T have internet
explorer or Firefox. HOW, Kunt?

4. Go to a government office. As an American trying to commandeer a
computer in a government office in Cuba, I'd have been arrested before I
could get within 50 feet of one.

5. The home of a HIGH government official. Damn it, Kunt, I am just NOT on
Fidel's social list.

6. At one of the millions of corner Internet cafes in Cuba? (THEY DON'T
HAVE THEM!)

7. At that time Cuba had the INTRANET and NOT the Internet. That has since
changed slightly.

I should have added somewhere along the line ( I think I did mention it
once) that some UNIVERSITIES had internet access for research. I couldn't
have gotten near them either.

So as to your CLAIMED "PROOF" that I could have had access - you are
simply full of shit.

Heck, you could have traveled with Barbara when she left for work
in the morning. Unless you're going to try and claim you didn't spend
time with her when you were in Cuba.

Traveled with her where? Barbara was 60 miles away from me on that trip.
We barely spoke.

Post by freedom
The funniest part was when he posted "boarding passes" to the Photoshop
newsgroup, which were immediately recognized as fakes. By the people HE
had gone to for help, no less.

Yeah some KID chimed in with that opinion - as well as his claim to LIVING
NEXT to the CEO of American Airlines who he alleged CONFIRMED to him that
American had NO flights to Cuba, yet I was able to show they DID.

Odd that his claim of living next to the CEO was and is yours alone.

Sorry the KID made the claim that the CEO of American told him that
AMerican NEVER flew to Cuba. I proved they did. The KID disappeared.

Lots of assholes say things on usenet. You fail to mention the folks who
say that
the photos were NOT altered.

No one in the group claimed they were not altered.

Sure they did. Even Betty HERE admitted the photos were NOT altered.

People can SEE for themsleves.
http://web.archive.org/web/20040218162016/www.krpconsulting.net/nav01/ticket_01.jpeg
The LIAR here is DAVID D. MOORE!! NO alterations at all Davey.

Why don't you link to the scan that got everyone to claim they
look fake?

It's on Photobucket, Kunt. ALL of them that youir PAL Moore claims are
faked are. http://s283.photobucket.com/albums/kk302/kenPphotos/ AGAIN Kunt,
take you SHOT at PROVING them to have been altered. Take your BEST SHOT.
But, before you START with your usual STUPID DRIVEL, remember that you just
making LOTS AND LOTS OF NOISE is NOT "proof." Don't be the TOTAL POLACK, and
realize walking in that the documents are EXTERNALLY VERIFIABLE. Do you
know what that means? That means that the facts of each document CAN be
verified through the airline, through the travel agency AND via the
government, since ALL travel to Cuba IS regulated and the information CAN be
obtained via a FOIA request. It's not MY job to prove YOU wrong, it is yours
to prove ME wrong. To PROVE that my evidence is fake, and you CAN'T do that,
Kunt. Cut your loses and RUN, little boy.

And Kunt - only MOORE claimed they were fake. The kid eventually skulked
off and admitted he was wrong. OnlY DAVID MOORE continues to claim they are
fake. And before you make yourself even MORE supid than you are, one of the
documents has the official AIRPORT TAX STAMP from Cuba. IF I am good enough
to fake that - Adobe would have me on a 7 figure salary right now. Kunt you
are just a STUPID POLACK. Oh, and I have more scans than those. How do you
explain the scan of my Cuban marriage certificate?????? I am SURE you have
some POLACK claim. You've seen it several times, I sent it to you.

[womanGoddess]

    Do you suggest my knowledge of mail-order-brides is more vast than I
present?

    You post as an "AUTHORITY" on the subject. Another of your
self-delusions.

    If that is your claim, please offer the evidence that I know more
than I claim.

    There is NO such evidence because you only CLAIM to know the subject. I
can't claim you know what you ONVIOUSLY don't know the first thing about.
However, your TOTAL lack of knowledge, Kunt, has NEVER stopped you from
making iron-clad claims on that subject.

Post by freedom

    My knowledge of mail-order-brides is very limited, but if I
understand correctly, this is what is done.  The man pays a company to
arrange for a meeting.
    If I am mistaken in what the fee is for, please feel free to
correct
me.

   How would *I* know about such services? Since I didn't do that! I was
introduced by a friend of mine who married the daughter of my wife's
mother's best friend. He knew I was single and he knew about my wife and
that we were both looking for the same things and had many shared values.

    Maybe so, maybe no.

    IF we were in a court of law and HAD to prove it, I could and would.
However the means by which my wife and I met is documented in her US-CIS
file complete with affidavits from the other people involved.

    There is, of course, no way for us to KNOW.  However, that you
LIED and claims such a thing was impossible gives reason to suspect
you were lying.

    You did NOT "prove" that "mail order brides from CUBA" were possible.
You made a great deal of NOISE, but NONE of the facts proved your point.
Although the website YOU cited says in parts that it HAS "mail order brides
from Cuba" when you get to the actual PAGE - it admits it does NOT! Being
the MORON that you are  (Polack) your argument trips all over itself. U.S.
LAW to get a woman into the U.S. (as per YOUR drunken claims) requires that
the people have actually met face to face and present PROOF of such a
meeting. THAT is the LAW, Kunt. It's not your POLISH law, it is the LAW of
the United States.  So the couple would have had to meet either here or in
Cuba. It is also LAW that U.S. citizens who are NOT Cuban cannot travel to
Cuba. So such a service would run into loads of LEGAL problems in the United
States alone. NOT to mention that such services that arrange marriage
between Cubans and foreginers are illegal in Cuba.  There is no LEGAL WAY
for such an outfit to get the American into Cuba. (See Office of Foreign
Assetts Control). Your argument just sputters like water drops on white hot
steel.  There MAY be outfits that make those claims, but they would be SCAMS
that take your money and run. I went to Cuba LEGALLY.

Post by freedom

    Had you not hired the services of a mail-order-bride company, I
would have expected you to reply with something like, "While it's
possible Barbara is a mail-order-bride, she is not.  Prove that she
is, if she is."
    Instead, you LIED and said such a thing was impossible.

   It IS impossible in Cuba.

    I proved it was possible.

    No, Kunt, you CLAIMED it was possible. For all your NOISE your proof
failed.

 This didn't, and doesn't, prove the  woman you married and now claim to
be an elephant was/is a
mail-order-bride.  Only that you LIED when you claimed it was impossible.

    You proved NO such thing. And in your usual POLACK best you STILL don't
realize that the elephant in the book is "BABAR" and NOT "Barbar." Nice TRY
fopr a BRAIN DEAD POLACK!

   Sorry Davey - wishful thinking on your part. MY point that it was NOT
available to me was proved.

    No it wasn't.  The matter hasn't been proved one way or the other.

    Sure it was proved. The only POSSIBLE place I could ahve had Internet
Access was at a MAJOR HOTEL, and I was 60 miles away from the nearest one on
that trip. Although you TRY to argue that I copuld ahve had access at other
places, your claims are BULLSHIT.  100% POLACK BULLSHIT.

    Contrary to your claims, access was available in Cuba.  And the
family of a judge would have been able to arrange transportation for
you.

    You are simply FULL OF SHIT. Again you TRY to presnet yourself as an
"EXPERT" on Cuba.  You are 200% clueless about how things work there. Let's
go down the list of places that YOU (as the EXPERT on Cuba) and your pals
have claimed I "could have posted to usenet" from. Tell me about the
availability of gasoline in Cuba for little personal junkets even IF they
owned a car.
1. A hotel.  (None within 60 miles of where I was)
2. At ETECSA (Phone compan) which in Holguin did NOT have a computer kiosk.
3. At the post office. They are for Cubans and NOT foreigners. You must BUY
cards to use them. Foreigners could not.  And the systems did NOT have
access to anything but E-MAIL. Now before you get into your RAMPAGING
BULLSHIT gthat E--mail IS the internet - as to your other STUPID (hence
POLACK) arguments . . to post to USENET you will need software to accomplish
this little feet. A newsreader or mail to news gateway. How would one get it
ON the machines, Kunt? There are NO floppy drives and NO USB ports.  How
would YOU as a CRACK Polish Computer Engineer get it on the system?
Download it? At 1200 baud? From WHERE? How? The machines DON'T have internet
explorer or Firefox. HOW, Kunt?
4. Go to a government office.  As an American trying to commandeer a
computer in a government office in Cuba, I'd have been arrested before I
could get within 50 feet of one.
5. The home of a HIGH government official. Damn it, Kunt, I am just NOT on
Fidel's social list.
6. At one of the millions of corner Internet cafes in Cuba?  (THEY DON'T
HAVE THEM!)
7. At that time Cuba had the INTRANET and NOT the Internet. That has since
changed slightly.
    I should have added somewhere along the line ( I think I did mention it
once) that some UNIVERSITIES had internet access for research. I couldn't
have gotten near them either.
    So as to your CLAIMED "PROOF" that I could have had access - you are
simply full of shit.

    Heck, you could have traveled with Barbara when she left for work
in the morning.  Unless you're going to try and claim you didn't spend
time with her when you were in Cuba.

    Traveled with her where? Barbara was 60 miles away from me on that trip.
We barely spoke.

Post by freedom
The funniest part was when he posted "boarding passes" to the Photoshop
newsgroup, which were immediately recognized as fakes.  By the people HE
had gone to for help, no less.

Yeah some KID chimed in with that opinion - as well as his claim to LIVING
NEXT to the CEO of American Airlines who he alleged CONFIRMED to him that
American had NO flights to Cuba, yet I was able to show they DID.

   Odd that his claim of living next to the CEO was and is yours alone.

    Sorry the KID made the claim that the CEO of American told him that
AMerican NEVER flew to Cuba. I proved they did. The KID disappeared.

Lots of assholes say things on usenet. You fail to mention the folks who
say that
the photos were NOT altered.

    No one in the group claimed they were not altered.

    Sure they did. Even Betty HERE admitted the photos were NOT altered.

People can SEE for themsleves.
http://web.archive.org/web/20040218162016/www.krpconsulting.net/nav01...
The LIAR here is DAVID D. MOORE!! NO alterations at all Davey.

    Why don't you link to the scan that got everyone to claim they
look fake?

    It's on Photobucket, Kunt. ALL of them that youir PAL Moore claims are
faked are.http://s283.photobucket.com/albums/kk302/kenPphotos/AGAIN Kunt,
take you SHOT at PROVING them to have been altered. Take your BEST SHOT.
But, before you START with your usual STUPID DRIVEL, remember that you just
making LOTS AND LOTS OF NOISE is NOT "proof." Don't be the TOTAL POLACK, and
realize walking in that the documents are EXTERNALLY VERIFIABLE.  Do you
know what that means? That means that the facts of each document CAN be
verified through the airline, through the travel agency AND via the
government, since ALL travel to Cuba IS regulated and the information CAN be
obtained via a FOIA request. It's not MY job to prove YOU wrong, it is yours
to prove ME wrong. To PROVE that my evidence is fake, and you CAN'T do that,
Kunt.  Cut your loses and RUN, little boy.
    And Kunt - only MOORE claimed they were fake. The kid eventually skulked
off and admitted he was wrong. OnlY DAVID MOORE continues to claim they are
fake. And before you make yourself even MORE supid than you are, one of the
documents has the official AIRPORT TAX STAMP from Cuba. IF I am good enough
to fake that - Adobe would have me on a 7 figure salary right now. Kunt you
are just a STUPID POLACK. Oh, and I have more scans than those. How do you
explain the scan of my Cuban marriage certificate?????? I am SURE you have
some POLACK claim. You've seen it several times, I sent it to you.

Kennie bullshit noted.

I thought this was worthy of note. When Kennie in soc.veterans
claimed his spell checker altered Norman Callish's first name it was
supposedly automatic. And yet Kennie's spell checker seems to be on
the fritz when dealing with his numerous misspellings

Odd how such a software program can be so faulty.....

(( laughing))

[Kent Wills]

Post by krp

Do you suggest my knowledge of mail-order-brides is more vast than I
present?

You post as an "AUTHORITY" on the subject. Another of your
self-delusions.

You hold the drunken belief that I'm an authority on
mail-order-brides, even after I freely admit I am not, yet claim *I*
present that I am? How, in your drunken delusions, does one stating
they are not an authority on a subject make them an authority on a
subject?

Post by krp

If that is your claim, please offer the evidence that I know more
than I claim.

There is NO such evidence because you only CLAIM to know the subject.

I claim I have very limited knowledge. I know mail-order-bride
services exist.
That may be enough in your inebriated mind to qualify as having
authoritative knowledge, but for the mentally sound members of
society, it is not.

Post by krp
I
can't claim you know what you ONVIOUSLY don't know the first thing about.
However, your TOTAL lack of knowledge, Kunt, has NEVER stopped you from
making iron-clad claims on that subject.

What iron-clad statement have I made?
I've stated mail-order-brides do exists. There is ample evidence
to support the claim.
I stated that it's possible your wife is such a bride. While it
is possible, this doesn't prove she is. That you claimed it was and
is impossible, even after I PROVED it was and is possible, gives ample
reason to suspect she was and is.

Post by krp

Post by freedom

Post by Kent Wills
My knowledge of mail-order-brides is very limited, but if I
understand correctly, this is what is done. The man pays a company to
arrange for a meeting.
If I am mistaken in what the fee is for, please feel free to correct
me.

How would *I* know about such services? Since I didn't do that! I was
introduced by a friend of mine who married the daughter of my wife's
mother's best friend. He knew I was single and he knew about my wife and
that we were both looking for the same things and had many shared values.

Maybe so, maybe no.

IF we were in a court of law and HAD to prove it, I could and would.
However the means by which my wife and I met is documented in her US-CIS
file complete with affidavits from the other people involved.

Gee, I've read accounts of many MOB's who, according to records,
wouldn't legally be seen as MOB's. If not for the fact that those
involved admitted to it, it would appear, on the surface, as a
"standard" meeting and falling in love.

Post by krp

There is, of course, no way for us to KNOW. However, that you
LIED and claims such a thing was impossible gives reason to suspect
you were lying.

You did NOT "prove" that "mail order brides from CUBA" were possible.

Yes, I did.
You whined that the site was for Cubans only. Of course, you
were also trying to present that Cubans don't have access to the
Internet.

Post by krp
You made a great deal of NOISE, but NONE of the facts proved your point.

The facts proved that it was and is possible.

Post by krp
Although the website YOU cited says in parts that it HAS "mail order brides
from Cuba" when you get to the actual PAGE - it admits it does NOT!

Liar. That was the site YOU linked to, not me.

Post by krp
Being
the MORON that you are (Polack)

Your bigotry is well known and documented. A very small sample
of the documentation, consisting of your writings, can be seen at
http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com/race.html

Post by krp
your argument trips all over itself. U.S.
LAW to get a woman into the U.S. (as per YOUR drunken claims) requires that
the people have actually met face to face and present PROOF of such a
meeting. THAT is the LAW, Kunt.

That's what mail-order-bride companies do. They arrange a
meeting.
You've already acknowledged this truth.

Post by krp
It's not your POLISH law, it is the LAW of
the United States. So the couple would have had to meet either here or in
Cuba.

Agreed.
Once again you are forced to argue points not in contention in a
futile effort to distract from the truth.

Post by krp
It is also LAW that U.S. citizens who are NOT Cuban cannot travel to
Cuba.

Are you claiming you broke the law when you met Barbara?

Post by krp
So such a service would run into loads of LEGAL problems in the United
States alone. NOT to mention that such services that arrange marriage
between Cubans and foreginers are illegal in Cuba. There is no LEGAL WAY
for such an outfit to get the American into Cuba. (See Office of Foreign
Assetts Control).

So they're illegal.
Prostitution is also illegal in Cuba. According to you, it still
occurs.
And no, I'm not claiming Barbara was a prostitute.

Post by krp
Your argument just sputters like water drops on white hot
steel. There MAY be outfits that make those claims, but they would be SCAMS
that take your money and run. I went to Cuba LEGALLY.

But above you imply you couldn't have.

Post by krp

Post by freedom

Post by Kent Wills
Had you not hired the services of a mail-order-bride company, I
would have expected you to reply with something like, "While it's
possible Barbara is a mail-order-bride, she is not. Prove that she
is, if she is."
Instead, you LIED and said such a thing was impossible.

It IS impossible in Cuba.

I proved it was possible.

No, Kunt, you CLAIMED it was possible. For all your NOISE your proof
failed.

You can deny the truth all you want. I doubt anyone is falling
for it.

Post by krp

This didn't, and doesn't, prove the woman you married and now claim to
be an elephant was/is a
mail-order-bride. Only that you LIED when you claimed it was impossible.

You proved NO such thing.

Lie all you want. No amount of your lying will ever alter the
truth.

Post by krp
And in your usual POLACK best you STILL don't
realize that the elephant in the book is "BABAR" and NOT "Barbar." Nice TRY
fopr a BRAIN DEAD POLACK!

You're the one who used an elephant's name to refer to your wife.
It's claimed, with no supporting evidence I hasten to add, that
she's a large woman. Maybe you let some truth slip out when you
refereed to her by an elephant's name.

Post by krp

Sorry Davey - wishful thinking on your part. MY point that it was NOT
available to me was proved.

No it wasn't. The matter hasn't been proved one way or the other.

Sure it was proved.

Liar.

Post by krp
The only POSSIBLE place I could ahve had Internet
Access was at a MAJOR HOTEL, and I was 60 miles away from the nearest one on
that trip. Although you TRY to argue that I copuld ahve had access at other
places, your claims are BULLSHIT. 100% POLACK BULLSHIT.

You could have traveled with Barbara when she left for work. She,
or a member of her family, could have arranged for someone to take you
to the nearest point of access.
You alone believe the family of a judge couldn't arrange
transportation.

Post by krp

Contrary to your claims, access was available in Cuba. And the
family of a judge would have been able to arrange transportation for
you.

You are simply FULL OF SHIT. Again you TRY to presnet yourself as an
"EXPERT" on Cuba.

I understand your alcohol induced mental illness (unless you
lied) forces you to honestly believe I'm an expert, but the truth is,
I am not.
No amount of your lying about this will alter the truth.

Post by krp
You are 200% clueless about how things work there. Let's
go down the list of places that YOU (as the EXPERT on Cuba) and your pals
have claimed I "could have posted to usenet" from. Tell me about the
availability of gasoline in Cuba for little personal junkets even IF they
owned a car.
1. A hotel. (None within 60 miles of where I was)

That would have been the most comfortable place, I expect.

Post by krp
2. At ETECSA (Phone compan) which in Holguin did NOT have a computer kiosk.
3. At the post office. They are for Cubans and NOT foreigners.

Yet at least one American tourist was able to make use of one.
How was he able to buck the system?

Post by krp
You must BUY
cards to use them. Foreigners could not.

But one gentleman, I think his name is Glen, was able to do just
that.

Post by krp
And the systems did NOT have
access to anything but E-MAIL. Now before you get into your RAMPAGING
BULLSHIT gthat E--mail IS the internet - as to your other STUPID (hence
POLACK) arguments . . to post to USENET you will need software to accomplish
this little feet.

Outside of your drunken delusions, E-mail is a part of the
Internet. I posted ample links that prove this out.
You RAN from the truth, as you so often do.

Post by krp
A newsreader or mail to news gateway. How would one get it
ON the machines, Kunt? There are NO floppy drives and NO USB ports. How
would YOU as a CRACK Polish Computer Engineer get it on the system?

Outside of your drunken delusions and bigotry, I'm not a computer
engineer.
I have accepted the truth that your mental illness forces you to
believe I am an expert on most everything under the sun, but the truth
is, I am not.
You NEED professional mental heath care, Ken. You've claimed you
were found legally insane, so clearly you recognize your behavior is
not mentally sound. This is an important first step, but admitting
your ill isn't the end of the trip. You'll need help.

Post by krp
Download it? At 1200 baud? From WHERE? How? The machines DON'T have internet
explorer or Firefox. HOW, Kunt?

You could have easily sent an E-mail to any number of E-mail to
News addresses.
I detailed how this could have been done over a year ago.

Post by krp
4. Go to a government office. As an American trying to commandeer a
computer in a government office in Cuba, I'd have been arrested before I
could get within 50 feet of one.

Probably.

Post by krp
5. The home of a HIGH government official. Damn it, Kunt, I am just NOT on
Fidel's social list.

But Barbara may have been. You did claim Castro ordered the
plane she was on to turn around.
Yes, you did make that claim. It was laugh out loud reading.

Post by krp
6. At one of the millions of corner Internet cafes in Cuba? (THEY DON'T
HAVE THEM!)

Then why are you claiming there are millions?

Post by krp
7. At that time Cuba had the INTRANET and NOT the Internet. That has since
changed slightly.

So the web site that you claim is for Cubans only was just
sitting out there, with no way for anyone to access it?

Post by krp
I should have added somewhere along the line ( I think I did mention it
once) that some UNIVERSITIES had internet access for research. I couldn't
have gotten near them either.

I mentioned universities, and you agreed that there was limited
access.

Post by krp
So as to your CLAIMED "PROOF" that I could have had access - you are
simply full of shit.

I was able to prove you could. This doesn't prove you did, a
truth I've always acknowledged. I was only able to prove you could
have posted, had you wanted.

Post by krp

Heck, you could have traveled with Barbara when she left for work
in the morning. Unless you're going to try and claim you didn't spend
time with her when you were in Cuba.

Traveled with her where? Barbara was 60 miles away from me on that trip.
We barely spoke.

So you went to Cuba to spend time with your, at the time, future
wife, yet barely spoke?
Do you spend ANY time thinking through your lies?

Post by krp

Post by freedom
The funniest part was when he posted "boarding passes" to the Photoshop
newsgroup, which were immediately recognized as fakes. By the people HE
had gone to for help, no less.

Yeah some KID chimed in with that opinion - as well as his claim to LIVING
NEXT to the CEO of American Airlines who he alleged CONFIRMED to him that
American had NO flights to Cuba, yet I was able to show they DID.

Odd that his claim of living next to the CEO was and is yours alone.

Sorry the KID made the claim that the CEO of American told him that
AMerican NEVER flew to Cuba. I proved they did. The KID disappeared.

He made no such claim.
You may recall my linking to the thread on Google.

Post by krp

Lots of assholes say things on usenet. You fail to mention the folks who
say that
the photos were NOT altered.

No one in the group claimed they were not altered.

Sure they did. Even Betty HERE admitted the photos were NOT altered.

She stated she couldn't tell. Not the same as what you are LYING
about.

Post by krp

People can SEE for themsleves.
http://web.archive.org/web/20040218162016/www.krpconsulting.net/nav01/ticket_01.jpeg
The LIAR here is DAVID D. MOORE!! NO alterations at all Davey.

Why don't you link to the scan that got everyone to claim they
look fake?

It's on Photobucket, Kunt. ALL of them that youir PAL Moore claims are
faked are. http://s283.photobucket.com/albums/kk302/kenPphotos/ AGAIN Kunt,
take you SHOT at PROVING them to have been altered.

I've not claimed they are. Only that one LOOKS altered.
You acknowledged the font and ink looks different.

Post by krp
Take your BEST SHOT.
But, before you START with your usual STUPID DRIVEL, remember that you just
making LOTS AND LOTS OF NOISE is NOT "proof." Don't be the TOTAL POLACK, and

http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com/race.html

It's nice that you wish to offer more PROOF that you're a bigot,
but it's so accepted that additional proof is no longer needed.

Post by krp
realize walking in that the documents are EXTERNALLY VERIFIABLE. Do you
know what that means? That means that the facts of each document CAN be
verified through the airline, through the travel agency AND via the
government, since ALL travel to Cuba IS regulated and the information CAN be
obtained via a FOIA request. It's not MY job to prove YOU wrong, it is yours
to prove ME wrong.

You must PROVE your claim that the tickets are genuine and valid.
You made the claim that they are, so it befalls you to prove it.

Post by krp
To PROVE that my evidence is fake, and you CAN'T do that,
Kunt. Cut your loses and RUN, little boy.

It's not my job to prove them fakes. It's your burden to prove
them real.
If they are fakes, you'll never be able to prove them to be real.

Post by krp
And Kunt - only MOORE claimed they were fake.

So you LIED above when you stated I claimed they were fakes.

Post by krp
The kid eventually skulked
off and admitted he was wrong.

Why do you lie?

Post by krp
OnlY DAVID MOORE continues to claim they are
fake.

In over two years, I've not seen him comment one way or the
other.

Post by krp
And before you make yourself even MORE supid than you are, one of the
documents has the official AIRPORT TAX STAMP from Cuba. IF I am good enough
to fake that - Adobe would have me on a 7 figure salary right now.

If not for your obvious mental illness.

Post by krp
Kunt you
are just a STUPID POLACK.

http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com/race.html

Anyone with an interest can see the documentation of your bigotry
at the TRUTH site linked above.

Post by krp
Oh, and I have more scans than those. How do you
explain the scan of my Cuban marriage certificate?????? I am SURE you have
some POLACK claim. You've seen it several times, I sent it to you.

I've stated you've been to Cuba. That you were able to bring
Barbara back proves this. No one is denying that you've been to Cuba.
Again you try to distract from the truth by arguing a point that
no one is disputing.
Do you honestly think you're fooling anyone?

"CPS cases are legal matters. Offering advice IS practicing law
without a license."
Kenneth Robert Pangborn admitting he practices law without a
license in misc.legal

[krp]

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp

Do you suggest my knowledge of mail-order-brides is more vast than I
present?

You post as an "AUTHORITY" on the subject. Another of your
self-delusions.

You hold the drunken belief that I'm an authority on
mail-order-brides,

Yet you keep arguing like you ARE!! If you are NOT an expert - then
STFU and quit arguing about it.

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp

If that is your claim, please offer the evidence that I know more
than I claim.

There is NO such evidence because you only CLAIM to know the subject.

I claim I have very limited knowledge. I know mail-order-bride
services exist.

You claim they are "SELLING" women from Cuba. The one website you
offered as proof does NOT support your claim, but YOU claim to know
otherwise. You have REPEATEDLY posted your claims that I "BOUGHT" my wife
through a "service." That is claiming "knowledge," Kunt.

Post by Kent Wills
Gee, I've read accounts of many MOB's who, according to records,
wouldn't legally be seen as MOB's. If not for the fact that those
involved admitted to it, it would appear, on the surface, as a
"standard" meeting and falling in love.

Kunt you have such a TINY brain. You keep looking UP at an IQ of 15 and
hoping one day to attain it. Sure there are services that sell mail order
brides. HOWEVER the laws affecting those countiries are vastly different
than those that apply to Cubans. We could write a book on that. There is the
"Cuban adjustment act" that comes into play. And visas for Cubans are
INTENSELY scrutinized for rather obvious reasons. Most Americans CANNOT
legally travel to Cuba. Cubans are generally FORBIDDEN from foreign travel.
So the immigraton folks demand PROOF that they have met. Because it is
possible for women from the Phillipines (as ONE example) could travel
freely, and Americans CAN legally travel there, far fewer questions are
asked. Ditto for Japan and South Korea. Even Chinese. You have such a
limited mental capacity and such a BLOATED EGO that it is impossible for you
to understand such differences. Of course if I don't spell out EVERY
miniscule detail, and you bring us to a point where that detail contradicts
you, you just start LOUDLY claiming I changed my story.

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp

There is, of course, no way for us to KNOW. However, that you
LIED and claims such a thing was impossible gives reason to suspect
you were lying.

You did NOT "prove" that "mail order brides from CUBA" were possible.

Yes, I did.

No, Kunt, you only made a great deal of NOISE claiming you did. Your own
sources failed to support your claims.

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp
Although the website YOU cited says in parts that it HAS "mail order brides
from Cuba" when you get to the actual PAGE - it admits it does NOT!

Liar. That was the site YOU linked to, not me.

No it was tha same site YOU referenced. They changed it. PROVE
OTHERWISE. SHow us the site you CLAIM shows mail order brides for sale from
CUBA.

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp
your argument trips all over itself. U.S.
LAW to get a woman into the U.S. (as per YOUR drunken claims) requires that
the people have actually met face to face and present PROOF of such a
meeting. THAT is the LAW, Kunt.

That's what mail-order-bride companies do. They arrange a meeting.
You've already acknowledged this truth.

HOW, Kunt, do they "arrange a meeting" in Cuba when travel TO Cuba for
Americans (without a treasury department license) is a CRIME? Tell us HOW a
Mail Order Bride company would GET legitimate licenses for travel to Cuba!!
Please be specific how they "ARRANGE" this small fete. Let's say, for the
sake of argument, that they fly you to Bermuda and they get you on a plane
to Havana from there. Both you and THEY would be committing Federal
felonies.

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp
It's not your POLISH law, it is the LAW of the United States. So the
couple would have had to meet either here or in
Cuba.

Agreed.

Fine so HOW do they "arrange a meeting between an Americna man and his
PURCHASED Cuban bride?" HOWE, in your EXPERT OPINION, Kunt, do they work
this out? You see IF they did as a business practice they would be guilty
of several felonies. And the Feds have absolutely NO sense of humor OR
romance. So, Kunt, HOW do they work this out?

Post by Kent Wills
Once again you are forced to argue points not in contention in a
futile effort to distract from the truth.

Yiu fail to understand the contradictions in your claim.

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp
It is also LAW that U.S. citizens who are NOT Cuban cannot travel to
Cuba.

Are you claiming you broke the law when you met Barbara?

No, Kunt, I said I traveled to Cuba on a Treasury License. You always
OMIT facts not suited to whatever STUPID argument you are trying to make at
the time. I said that on my FIRST trip I went on a "FAMILY visit which I
could at that time before GW Bush changed the law and re-defined "family"
which was now changed back under President Obama. Later visits I went other
other licenses. I traveled LEGALLY. But most Americans CANNOT. You cannot
get a license to go to Cuba to get a "Mail Order Bride." Too bad your memory
is so bad of things we have already discussed into the ground.

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp
So such a service would run into loads of LEGAL problems in the United
States alone. NOT to mention that such services that arrange marriage
between Cubans and foreginers are illegal in Cuba. There is no LEGAL WAY
for such an outfit to get the American into Cuba. (See Office of Foreign
Assetts Control).

So they're illegal.

Well that's more than a little simplistic, Kunt. The POINT is that such
a swervice would be a CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE. It would violate the laws of both
Cuba and THE U.S..

Post by Kent Wills
Prostitution is also illegal in Cuba. According to you, it still
occurs.

Yes, even child prostitution. But Cuba is agressively (Thanks to Fidel)
trying to stomp it out. With the level of poverty that socialism has caused
and cotinues to cause, the task is near impossible.

Post by Kent Wills
And no, I'm not claiming Barbara was a prostitute.

Moore has claimed it and you seem to SUGGEST it by continually bringing
the subject up.

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp
Your argument just sputters like water drops on white hot
steel. There MAY be outfits that make those claims, but they would be SCAMS
that take your money and run. I went to Cuba LEGALLY.

But above you imply you couldn't have.

No, Kunt, YOU LIE. We've had this BULLSHIT discussion before. My son-in
law is Cuban. Under the laws that existed when I made my first trip - it was
a legal "family visit." I went to see a "great aunt" of my son in law (his
father's aunt) because she was dying. THEY wouldn't go to Cuba until Castro
is gone. They have hard feelings in that regard, but *I* could go and bring
the family there photos of my grandsons etc here, get a video and photos to
bring back. Including the grandfather of my son's father. Which brought him
to tears. She did die a few months later. But seeing her nephew and his kids
and grandchildren brought a bit of joy to her. A big thing to people living
on an imprisoned island.

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp

Post by krp

Post by freedom

Post by Kent Wills
Had you not hired the services of a mail-order-bride company, I
would have expected you to reply with something like, "While it's
possible Barbara is a mail-order-bride, she is not. Prove that she
is, if she is."
Instead, you LIED and said such a thing was impossible.

It IS impossible in Cuba.

I proved it was possible.

No, Kunt, you CLAIMED it was possible. For all your NOISE your proof
failed.

You can deny the truth all you want. I doubt anyone is falling for
it.

Kunt, regardless of how many times you say something, it doesn't make it
true just because YOU said it. I think folks note that you have FAILED to
post any support for your claims. I HAVE.

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp
And in your usual POLACK best you STILL don't
realize that the elephant in the book is "BABAR" and NOT "Barbar." Nice TRY
for a BRAIN DEAD POLACK!

You're the one who used an elephant's name to refer to your wife.
It's claimed, with no supporting evidence I hasten to add, that
she's a large woman. Maybe you let some truth slip out when you
refereed to her by an elephant's name.

Kunt, the elephant in the story is named "BABAR" and not "BARBAR." You
ignotant Polack.

Post by Kent Wills
You could have traveled with Barbara when she left for work. She,
or a member of her family, could have arranged for someone to take you
to the nearest point of access.
You alone believe the family of a judge couldn't arrange
transportation.

Sorry Davey, while I MET Barbara in person on that trip I didn't stay
with her. TRY to keep track of what TRIPS you are speaking of. I have had
several to Cuba.

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp
You are 200% clueless about how things work there. Let's
go down the list of places that YOU (as the EXPERT on Cuba) and your pals
have claimed I "could have posted to usenet" from. Tell me about the
availability of gasoline in Cuba for little personal junkets even IF they
owned a car.
1. A hotel. (None within 60 miles of where I was)

That would have been the most comfortable place, I expect.

Except for the FACT that on that trip the nearest hotel was about 65
miles away, and I had NO transportation.

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp
2. At ETECSA (Phone compan) which in Holguin did NOT have a computer kiosk.
3. At the post office. They are for Cubans and NOT foreigners.

Yet at least one American tourist was able to make use of one. How
was he able to buck the system?

First he was fluent in Spanish. Secondly that system was in a VERY small
town and there was no LINE to deal with.

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp
You must BUY cards to use them. Foreigners could not.

But one gentleman, I think his name is Glen, was able to do just that.

He had a Cuban woman do that for him. If you are going to relate his
story, Kunt, please do it accurately. Why not mention he was also a VERY
pro-Communist?

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp
And the systems did NOT have
access to anything but E-MAIL. Now before you get into your RAMPAGING
BULLSHIT gthat E--mail IS the internet - as to your other STUPID (hence
POLACK) arguments . . to post to USENET you will need software to accomplish
this little feet.

Outside of your drunken delusions, E-mail is a part of the
Internet. I posted ample links that prove this out.
You RAN from the truth, as you so often do.

Really? So it is YOUR claim that if you have e-mail you can "SURF the
net?" How does one do that without a browser like Netscape, Internet
Explorer, Firefox etc? HOW would you get to read and post to Usenet with NO
newsreader? Just HOW, Kunt do you do that with NO software? HOW do you get
to a mail to news gateway with NO software to take you there? On your
special Polack computer? Access to e-mail is NOT access to the internet.
NOW before you compound your STUPIDITY (Polack) how would he (or I) get the
necessary software ONTO the Computer? There are NO floppy drives. NO USB
ports. NO imput other than the keyboard or mouse. How do they work this
magic out in Poland, Kunt?

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp
A newsreader or mail to news gateway. How would one get it
ON the machines, Kunt? There are NO floppy drives and NO USB ports. How
would YOU as a CRACK Polish Computer Engineer get it on the system?

Outside of your drunken delusions and bigotry, I'm not a computer
engineer.

And yet you PRETEND to be when it suits you. This avoids gthe question,
HOW would you get the NECESSARY SOFTWARE onto the computer with no floppy
drives and NO USB ports or the like.

Post by Kent Wills
I have accepted the truth that your mental illness forces you to
believe I am an expert on most everything under the sun, but the truth
is, I am not.

I suffer NO illusions about your TOTAL LACK of knowledge in these many
Subjects,Kunt, but the FACT of your total ignmorance NEVER seems to slow
down your mouth in arguing with people who DO have direct knowledge (such as
I do about Cuba).

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp
Download it? At 1200 baud? From WHERE? How? The machines DON'T have internet
explorer or Firefox. HOW, Kunt?

You could have easily sent an E-mail to any number of E-mail to News
addresses.

HOW would I have been able to do that? And access an anonymous remailer?
How does that work, Kunt??

Post by Kent Wills
I detailed how this could have been done over a year ago.

No Kunt the NOT A COMPUTER ENGINEER, you did NOT. You made NOISE a year
ago. (More like 2).

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp
4. Go to a government office. As an American trying to commandeer a
computer in a government office in Cuba, I'd have been arrested before I
could get within 50 feet of one.

Probably.

Definitely. Barbara and I paid a visit to her office. I was not allowed
in, I had to wait out on the street - the two ARMED police at the door were
a BIG deterrent.

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp
5. The home of a HIGH government official. Damn it, Kunt, I am just NOT on
Fidel's social list.

But Barbara may have been.

Hardly, Kunt, she was a Tax Court Judge in a eastern province (state),
NOT a high ranking offical and NOT a member of the Communist party.

Post by Kent Wills
You did claim Castro ordered the plane she was on to turn around.
Yes, you did make that claim. It was laugh out loud reading.

I said the TOWER ordered the plane back, I said NOTHING abouit Castro
ordering the plane back You mist be hitting the CRACK pipe again, Wills.

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp
6. At one of the millions of corner Internet cafes in Cuba? (THEY DON'T
HAVE THEM!)

Then why are you claiming there are millions?

Making fun of you, Kunt.

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp
7. At that time Cuba had the INTRANET and NOT the Internet. That has since
changed slightly.

So the web site that you claim is for Cubans only was just
sitting out there, with no way for anyone to access it?

Mostly true, Kunt. Which is why they NOW don't list Cubans. Or haven't
you noticed? I suppose you have, in that you say today it isn't the same
site you used back then. ODD that you don't list it today to again "POINT
OUT" my lies when you usually get orgasmic when you can or think you can.

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp
I should have added somewhere along the line ( I think I did mention it
once) that some UNIVERSITIES had internet access for research. I couldn't
have gotten near them either.

I mentioned universities, and you agreed that there was limited
access.

No, Kunt, the universites have FULL Intedrnet access for faculty and
special students.

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp
So as to your CLAIMED "PROOF" that I could have had access - you are
simply full of shit.

I was able to prove you could.

Again, Wills, you really NEED to learn the difference between "PROOF"
and the volume on your ranting claims.

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp

Heck, you could have traveled with Barbara when she left for work
in the morning. Unless you're going to try and claim you didn't spend
time with her when you were in Cuba.

Traveled with her where? Barbara was 60 miles away from me on that trip.
We barely spoke.

So you went to Cuba to spend time with your, at the time, future
wife, yet barely spoke? Do you spend ANY time thinking through your lies?

On THAT trip she was NOT yet my future wife. You seem UNABLE (it's that
POLACK thing again) to deal with the fact that I have made a number of trips
to Cuba. You can't sort one out from another. It confuses the POLACK brain.

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp

Post by krp

Post by freedom
The funniest part was when he posted "boarding passes" to the Photoshop
newsgroup, which were immediately recognized as fakes. By the people HE
had gone to for help, no less.

Yeah some KID chimed in with that opinion - as well as his claim to LIVING
NEXT to the CEO of American Airlines who he alleged CONFIRMED to him that
American had NO flights to Cuba, yet I was able to show they DID.

Odd that his claim of living next to the CEO was and is yours alone.

Sorry the KID made the claim that the CEO of American told him that
AMerican NEVER flew to Cuba. I proved they did. The KID disappeared.

He made no such claim. You may recall my linking to the thread on
Google.

There was more than one thread. The KID did claim there were NO flights
by American Airlines to Cuba. THERE ARE. I sourced that into thr ground.

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp

Post by krp
Lots of assholes say things on usenet. You fail to mention the folks who
say that
the photos were NOT altered.

No one in the group claimed they were not altered.

Sure they did. Even Betty HERE admitted the photos were NOT altered.

She stated she couldn't tell. Not the same as what you are LYING
about.

She expressed her opinion that they were NOT! Quit being so dishonest.

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp

Post by krp
People can SEE for themsleves.
http://web.archive.org/web/20040218162016/www.krpconsulting.net/nav01/ticket_01.jpeg
The LIAR here is DAVID D. MOORE!! NO alterations at all Davey.

Why don't you link to the scan that got everyone to claim they
look fake?

It's on Photobucket, Kunt. ALL of them that youir PAL Moore claims are
faked are. http://s283.photobucket.com/albums/kk302/kenPphotos/ AGAIN Kunt,
take you SHOT at PROVING them to have been altered.

I've not claimed they are. Only that one LOOKS altered.
You acknowledged the font and ink looks different.

Kunt you HAVE claimed to be a computer expert. AT that time both travel
agencies AND at airports - MECHANICAL PRINTERS were in common use. Without
giving an IGNORAMUS POLACK a detailed lesson, ALL mechanical printers have
variations of print (ink) density and alignment. Even modern ink-jets aren't
always perfect. NO mechanical device is.

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp
realize walking in that the documents are EXTERNALLY VERIFIABLE. Do you
know what that means? That means that the facts of each document CAN be
verified through the airline, through the travel agency AND via the
government, since ALL travel to Cuba IS regulated and the information CAN be
obtained via a FOIA request. It's not MY job to prove YOU wrong, it is yours
to prove ME wrong.

You must PROVE your claim that the tickets are genuine and valid.
You made the claim that they are, so it befalls you to prove it.

They stand on their own and are EXTERNALLY verifiable. The travel agency
(ABC Charters issued the tickets) and HAS confirmed them. If that isn not
good enough for a Polack, then you have the airline and the FAA.

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp
To PROVE that my evidence is fake, and you CAN'T do that,
Kunt. Cut your loses and RUN, little boy.

It's not my job to prove them fakes. It's your burden to prove them
real.
If they are fakes, you'll never be able to prove them to be real.

I have by publicly posting them. I don't need to satisfy every one of
your mental delusions. YOU claim they are FAKE! PROVE IT!

[Kent Wills]

Post by krp

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp

Do you suggest my knowledge of mail-order-brides is more vast than I
present?

You post as an "AUTHORITY" on the subject. Another of your
self-delusions.

You hold the drunken belief that I'm an authority on
mail-order-brides,

Yet you keep arguing like you ARE!! If you are NOT an expert - then
STFU and quit arguing about it.

How does your drunken stupors support a claim that I present I'm
an expert when I consistently state I am not?
Be specific.

Post by krp

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp

If that is your claim, please offer the evidence that I know more
than I claim.

There is NO such evidence because you only CLAIM to know the subject.

I claim I have very limited knowledge. I know mail-order-bride
services exist.

You claim they are "SELLING" women from Cuba.

I've made no such claim.

Post by krp
The one website you
offered as proof does NOT support your claim, but YOU claim to know
otherwise.

It served to prove you LIED when you said it was impossible.

Post by krp
You have REPEATEDLY posted your claims that I "BOUGHT" my wife
through a "service." That is claiming "knowledge," Kunt.

I've made no such claim. I've stated, many times, I can't KNOW
that she's a mail-order-bride, but that you LIED and said it was
impossible gives reason to suspect she is.
Since you KNOW I've always held this possition, please explain why
you are LYING.

Post by krp

Post by Kent Wills
Gee, I've read accounts of many MOB's who, according to records,
wouldn't legally be seen as MOB's. If not for the fact that those
involved admitted to it, it would appear, on the surface, as a
"standard" meeting and falling in love.

Kunt you have such a TINY brain.

Yet I consistently PROVE I'm your intellectual superior. If not
for the TRUTH that you're stupid (unable to learn), being your
superior might mean something.

Post by krp
You keep looking UP at an IQ of 15 and
hoping one day to attain it. Sure there are services that sell mail order
brides. HOWEVER the laws affecting those countiries are vastly different
than those that apply to Cubans.

Yet it's still possible. It may well be illegal, but that
doesn't stop it from happening.

Post by krp
We could write a book on that. There is the
"Cuban adjustment act" that comes into play. And visas for Cubans are
INTENSELY scrutinized for rather obvious reasons. Most Americans CANNOT
legally travel to Cuba. Cubans are generally FORBIDDEN from foreign travel.
So the immigraton folks demand PROOF that they have met.

If I understand correctly, and I admit my knowledge comes mostly
from listening to Art Bell discuss his marriage to a woman from the
Philippines, they require such proof from any foreign bride.

Post by krp
Because it is
possible for women from the Phillipines (as ONE example) could travel
freely, and Americans CAN legally travel there, far fewer questions are
asked.

Yet Art and his wife are stuck in the Philippines right now.

Post by krp
Ditto for Japan and South Korea. Even Chinese. You have such a
limited mental capacity and such a BLOATED EGO that it is impossible for you
to understand such differences.

I understand I PROVED you LIED when you claimed it was impossible
for Barbara to be a MOB. It was and is possible.

Post by krp
Of course if I don't spell out EVERY
miniscule detail, and you bring us to a point where that detail contradicts
you, you just start LOUDLY claiming I changed my story.

You often change your versions of event. And not minor details.
I'm talking major points get changed.

Post by krp

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp

There is, of course, no way for us to KNOW. However, that you
LIED and claims such a thing was impossible gives reason to suspect
you were lying.

You did NOT "prove" that "mail order brides from CUBA" were possible.

Yes, I did.

No, Kunt, you only made a great deal of NOISE claiming you did. Your own
sources failed to support your claims.

It proved MOBs from Cuba were and are possible.

Post by krp

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp
Although the website YOU cited says in parts that it HAS "mail order brides
from Cuba" when you get to the actual PAGE - it admits it does NOT!

Liar. That was the site YOU linked to, not me.

No it was tha same site YOU referenced.

Why do you lie?

Post by krp
They changed it. PROVE
OTHERWISE. SHow us the site you CLAIM shows mail order brides for sale from
CUBA.

It befalls YOU to prove the site is the same one, or admit you've
been lying.
I await your proof.

Post by krp

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp
your argument trips all over itself. U.S.
LAW to get a woman into the U.S. (as per YOUR drunken claims) requires that
the people have actually met face to face and present PROOF of such a
meeting. THAT is the LAW, Kunt.

That's what mail-order-bride companies do. They arrange a meeting.
You've already acknowledged this truth.

HOW, Kunt, do they "arrange a meeting" in Cuba when travel TO Cuba for
Americans (without a treasury department license) is a CRIME?

The potential groom must get the OK.

Post by krp
Tell us HOW a
Mail Order Bride company would GET legitimate licenses for travel to Cuba!!

As I've stated, it befalls the male to get all the paperwork.
Why are you LYING and presenting that we've not discussed this?

Post by krp
Please be specific how they "ARRANGE" this small fete. Let's say, for the
sake of argument, that they fly you to Bermuda and they get you on a plane
to Havana from there. Both you and THEY would be committing Federal
felonies.

Very likely. I fail to see how your latest attempt to distract
from the truth of my claims is relevant.

Post by krp

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp
It's not your POLISH law, it is the LAW of the United States. So the
couple would have had to meet either here or in
Cuba.

Agreed.

Fine so HOW do they "arrange a meeting between an Americna man and his
PURCHASED Cuban bride?"

Are you so drunk you think the women are purchased? you must,
since no one else has made such a claim.

Post by krp
HOWE, in your EXPERT OPINION, Kunt, do they work

Outside of your latest proof that you post while drunk, I'm not
an expert.
You can express your drunken fantasy that I am an expert as often
as your bottle of Jack Daniel's demands. The truth won't be altered
simply because your uncontrolled boozing demands you present lies.

Post by krp
this out? You see IF they did as a business practice they would be guilty
of several felonies. And the Feds have absolutely NO sense of humor OR
romance. So, Kunt, HOW do they work this out?

Since I'm not an expert, your drunken delusions aside, I can't
know the details.

Post by krp

Post by Kent Wills
Once again you are forced to argue points not in contention in a
futile effort to distract from the truth.

Yiu fail to understand the contradictions in your claim.

You bring up points not in dispute. You do this a great deal.
I expect everyone reading is aware that you do so as a means to
distract from the TRUTH I keep posting. Of course, each reader would
need to say for him or her self if you've conned them or not.

Post by krp

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp
It is also LAW that U.S. citizens who are NOT Cuban cannot travel to
Cuba.

Are you claiming you broke the law when you met Barbara?

No, Kunt, I said I traveled to Cuba on a Treasury License.

But you claimed, "It is also LAW that U.S. citizens who are NOT
Cuban cannot travel to Cuba."
Your words, in proper context and verbatim.

Post by krp
You always
OMIT facts not suited to whatever STUPID argument you are trying to make at
the time.

You're the one who wrote, "It is also LAW that U.S. citizens who
are NOT Cuban cannot travel to Cuba."

Post by krp
I said that on my FIRST trip I went on a "FAMILY visit which I
could at that time before GW Bush changed the law and re-defined "family"
which was now changed back under President Obama. Later visits I went other
other licenses. I traveled LEGALLY. But most Americans CANNOT. You cannot
get a license to go to Cuba to get a "Mail Order Bride." Too bad your memory
is so bad of things we have already discussed into the ground.

So you LIED when you wrote, "It is also LAW that U.S. citizens
who are NOT Cuban cannot travel to Cuba."
Got it.
The TRUTH is that, except under certain conditions, it's illegal.
It's a pity your drunken stupors wont permit you to be honest.

Post by krp

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp
So such a service would run into loads of LEGAL problems in the United
States alone. NOT to mention that such services that arrange marriage
between Cubans and foreginers are illegal in Cuba. There is no LEGAL WAY
for such an outfit to get the American into Cuba. (See Office of Foreign
Assetts Control).

So they're illegal.

Well that's more than a little simplistic, Kunt.

Yet it's still the truth.

Post by krp
The POINT is that such
a swervice would be a CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE.

Which means they're illegal.

Post by krp
It would violate the laws of both
Cuba and THE U.S..

Which means they're illegal.
Doesn't seem so simplistic to me. Just a statement of fact.

Post by krp

Post by Kent Wills
Prostitution is also illegal in Cuba. According to you, it still
occurs.

Yes, even child prostitution. But Cuba is agressively (Thanks to Fidel)
trying to stomp it out. With the level of poverty that socialism has caused
and cotinues to cause, the task is near impossible.

Probably. I've not had cause to check, but it's easy to believe.

Post by krp

Post by Kent Wills
And no, I'm not claiming Barbara was a prostitute.

Moore has claimed it and you seem to SUGGEST it by continually bringing
the subject up.

David has never claimed she was a prostitute. He has claimed she
worked in a strip club.
DO you think all strippers MUST also sell their bodies for sexual
intercourse? I'm sure some do, but to try and claim all do, as you
are dishonestly trying to present, isn't likely to be the truth.

Post by krp

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp
Your argument just sputters like water drops on white hot
steel. There MAY be outfits that make those claims, but they would be SCAMS
that take your money and run. I went to Cuba LEGALLY.

But above you imply you couldn't have.

No, Kunt, YOU LIE. We've had this BULLSHIT discussion before.

And I proved you lied then as well.
Just as I've done a few times in this post.

Post by krp
My son-in
law is Cuban. Under the laws that existed when I made my first trip - it was
a legal "family visit." I went to see a "great aunt" of my son in law (his
father's aunt) because she was dying. THEY wouldn't go to Cuba until Castro
is gone.

This is the first time you're mentioning why they wouldn't go,
though it's easy to believe the reason cited.

Post by krp
They have hard feelings in that regard, but *I* could go and bring
the family there photos of my grandsons etc here, get a video and photos to
bring back. Including the grandfather of my son's father. Which brought him
to tears. She did die a few months later. But seeing her nephew and his kids
and grandchildren brought a bit of joy to her. A big thing to people living
on an imprisoned island.

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp

Post by krp

Post by freedom

Post by Kent Wills
Had you not hired the services of a mail-order-bride company, I
would have expected you to reply with something like, "While it's
possible Barbara is a mail-order-bride, she is not. Prove that she
is, if she is."
Instead, you LIED and said such a thing was impossible.

It IS impossible in Cuba.

I proved it was possible.

No, Kunt, you CLAIMED it was possible. For all your NOISE your proof
failed.

You can deny the truth all you want. I doubt anyone is falling for
it.

Kunt, regardless of how many times you say something, it doesn't make it
true just because YOU said it.

That it's true is what makes it true.

Post by krp
I think folks note that you have FAILED to
post any support for your claims. I HAVE.

Odd that I consistently PROVE the lies you post, while you try
to distract by arguing points not in contention.

Post by krp

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp
And in your usual POLACK best you STILL don't
realize that the elephant in the book is "BABAR" and NOT "Barbar." Nice TRY
for a BRAIN DEAD POLACK!

You're the one who used an elephant's name to refer to your wife.
It's claimed, with no supporting evidence I hasten to add, that
she's a large woman. Maybe you let some truth slip out when you
refereed to her by an elephant's name.

Kunt, the elephant in the story is named "BABAR" and not "BARBAR." You
ignotant Polack.

You can offer PROOF of your bigotry as often as you want. While
it's no longer needed, thanks to
http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com/race.html, it's fine that you wish to
further prove the reason you LIE about me is because of your bigotry.

Post by krp

Post by Kent Wills
You could have traveled with Barbara when she left for work. She,
or a member of her family, could have arranged for someone to take you
to the nearest point of access.
You alone believe the family of a judge couldn't arrange
transportation.

Sorry Davey,

Outside of your drunken delusions, I'm not David. Really.

Post by krp
while I MET Barbara in person on that trip I didn't stay
with her. TRY to keep track of what TRIPS you are speaking of. I have had
several to Cuba.

So you claim.
We can KNOW you've been once. That you brought you elephant (as
you reference her) back proves this.
It's very likely you went at least once before, though this isn't
an absolute guaranty.

Post by krp

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp
You are 200% clueless about how things work there. Let's
go down the list of places that YOU (as the EXPERT on Cuba) and your pals
have claimed I "could have posted to usenet" from. Tell me about the
availability of gasoline in Cuba for little personal junkets even IF they
owned a car.
1. A hotel. (None within 60 miles of where I was)

That would have been the most comfortable place, I expect.

Except for the FACT that on that trip the nearest hotel was about 65
miles away, and I had NO transportation.

As if the family of a judge couldn't arrange transportation for
you.
Do you think everyone reading is so stupid?

Post by krp

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp
2. At ETECSA (Phone compan) which in Holguin did NOT have a computer kiosk.
3. At the post office. They are for Cubans and NOT foreigners.

Yet at least one American tourist was able to make use of one. How
was he able to buck the system?

First he was fluent in Spanish. Secondly that system was in a VERY small
town and there was no LINE to deal with.

Which proves you LIED when you claimed they're not for
foreigners.
FYI: A foreigner will have an accent. Unless the people in
charge at the post office are very dumb, they'll notice it.

Post by krp

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp
You must BUY cards to use them. Foreigners could not.

But one gentleman, I think his name is Glen, was able to do just that.

He had a Cuban woman do that for him.

He claimed he sent the E-mail. He made no mention of a woman
doing it for him.

Post by krp
If you are going to relate his
story, Kunt, please do it accurately. Why not mention he was also a VERY
pro-Communist?

His political views have no bearing on whether he was or was not
able to send an E-mail.
Again you attempt to distract from the truth of my claims. Again
you FAIL.

Post by krp

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp
And the systems did NOT have
access to anything but E-MAIL. Now before you get into your RAMPAGING
BULLSHIT gthat E--mail IS the internet - as to your other STUPID (hence
POLACK) arguments . . to post to USENET you will need software to accomplish
this little feet.

Outside of your drunken delusions, E-mail is a part of the
Internet. I posted ample links that prove this out.
You RAN from the truth, as you so often do.

Really? So it is YOUR claim that if you have e-mail you can "SURF the
net?"

I've made no such claim.

Post by krp
How does one do that without a browser like Netscape, Internet
Explorer, Firefox etc? HOW would you get to read and post to Usenet with NO
newsreader? Just HOW, Kunt do you do that with NO software? HOW do you get
to a mail to news gateway with NO software to take you there?

If one can send E-mail, they can make use of a mail to news
gateway, stupid.

Post by krp
On your
special Polack computer? Access to e-mail is NOT access to the internet.

E-mail, like gopher, ARCHIE, it's bastard cousin VERONICA, etc.,
is a part of the Internet. No matter how many times you LIE and claim
it is not, the truth remains that it is.
I sent a detailed post about this over a year ago.

Post by krp
NOW before you compound your STUPIDITY (Polack) how would he (or I) get the
necessary software ONTO the Computer?

Whereas he was able to send the E-mail, it's clear the software
was already installed.

Post by krp
There are NO floppy drives. NO USB
ports. NO imput other than the keyboard or mouse. How do they work this
magic out in Poland, Kunt?

Much the same as anywhere else, dullard.

Post by krp

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp
A newsreader or mail to news gateway. How would one get it
ON the machines, Kunt? There are NO floppy drives and NO USB ports. How
would YOU as a CRACK Polish Computer Engineer get it on the system?

Outside of your drunken delusions and bigotry, I'm not a computer
engineer.

And yet you PRETEND to be when it suits you.

Outside of your inebriated fantasies, I've never pretended to be
such.

Post by krp
This avoids gthe question,
HOW would you get the NECESSARY SOFTWARE onto the computer with no floppy
drives and NO USB ports or the like.

Why would anyone need to make use of any additional software?
Clearly some sort of E-mail client was installed. He couldn't have
sent the E-mail if it weren't.
Please explain why, exactly, you're trying to distract from the
truth of my claims?

Post by krp

Post by Kent Wills
I have accepted the truth that your mental illness forces you to
believe I am an expert on most everything under the sun, but the truth
is, I am not.

I suffer NO illusions about your TOTAL LACK of knowledge in these many
Subjects,

Yet you are consistently forced to claim I am all knowing.
While I do know more about a great number of things that you, this
alone doesn't make me an expert in everything.

Post by krp
Kunt, but the FACT of your total ignmorance NEVER seems to slow
down your mouth in arguing with people who DO have direct knowledge (such as
I do about Cuba).

I've never denied your direct knowledge of Cuba. In fact,
acknowledging you have it helps to PROVE you've been lying the whole
time. Since you have such knowledge, you can't claim ignorance as an
excuse for your LYING about what kind of Internet access is available
and where it's available.

Post by krp

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp
Download it? At 1200 baud? From WHERE? How? The machines DON'T have internet
explorer or Firefox. HOW, Kunt?

You could have easily sent an E-mail to any number of E-mail to News
addresses.

HOW would I have been able to do that? And access an anonymous remailer?
How does that work, Kunt??

The very way you've done it in the past. You send your post via
E-mail to the Usenet re mailer.
Since it was PROVED you've done so in the past, I have to wonder
why you're pretending you don't know how to do it.

Post by krp

Post by Kent Wills
I detailed how this could have been done over a year ago.

No Kunt the NOT A COMPUTER ENGINEER, you did NOT. You made NOISE a year
ago. (More like 2).

I was very detailed in my post. So powerful was it's truth, you
RAN from the discussion.

Post by krp

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp
4. Go to a government office. As an American trying to commandeer a
computer in a government office in Cuba, I'd have been arrested before I
could get within 50 feet of one.

Probably.

Definitely. Barbara and I paid a visit to her office. I was not allowed
in, I had to wait out on the street - the two ARMED police at the door were
a BIG deterrent.

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp
5. The home of a HIGH government official. Damn it, Kunt, I am just NOT on
Fidel's social list.

But Barbara may have been.

Hardly, Kunt, she was a Tax Court Judge in a eastern province (state),
NOT a high ranking offical and NOT a member of the Communist party.

But Fidel didn't want her to leave. Or so you claimed.

Post by krp

Post by Kent Wills
You did claim Castro ordered the plane she was on to turn around.
Yes, you did make that claim. It was laugh out loud reading.

I said the TOWER ordered the plane back, I said NOTHING abouit Castro
ordering the plane back You mist be hitting the CRACK pipe again, Wills.

You can LIE about your claim as often as you want. It only
serves to allow me more opportunities to PROVE you lied.

Post by krp

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp
6. At one of the millions of corner Internet cafes in Cuba? (THEY DON'T
HAVE THEM!)

Then why are you claiming there are millions?

Making fun of you, Kunt.

I've never so much as implied there are millions. Or even
thousands. In fact, I've only detailed two locations where one could
possibly make the claim of Internet Cafes.

Post by krp

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp
7. At that time Cuba had the INTRANET and NOT the Internet. That has since
changed slightly.

So the web site that you claim is for Cubans only was just
sitting out there, with no way for anyone to access it?

Mostly true, Kunt. Which is why they NOW don't list Cubans. Or haven't
you noticed?

I haven't been to the site since I used it to PROVE you LIED.

Post by krp
I suppose you have, in that you say today it isn't the same
site you used back then. ODD that you don't list it today to again "POINT
OUT" my lies when you usually get orgasmic when you can or think you can.

I can PROVE your lies using your own words.

Post by krp

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp
I should have added somewhere along the line ( I think I did mention it
once) that some UNIVERSITIES had internet access for research. I couldn't
have gotten near them either.

I mentioned universities, and you agreed that there was limited
access.

No, Kunt, the universites have FULL Intedrnet access for faculty and
special students.

You claimed limited at the time.
Are you changing your version of the story?

Post by krp

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp
So as to your CLAIMED "PROOF" that I could have had access - you are
simply full of shit.

I was able to prove you could.

Again, Wills, you really NEED to learn the difference between "PROOF"
and the volume on your ranting claims.

Proof is proof. That I use PROOF to PROVE you the pathological
liar you were, are, and probably will be, stands as its own
verification.

Post by krp

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp

Heck, you could have traveled with Barbara when she left for work
in the morning. Unless you're going to try and claim you didn't spend
time with her when you were in Cuba.

Traveled with her where? Barbara was 60 miles away from me on that trip.
We barely spoke.

So you went to Cuba to spend time with your, at the time, future
wife, yet barely spoke? Do you spend ANY time thinking through your lies?

On THAT trip she was NOT yet my future wife.

So you were staying with the family of a woman you weren't
interested in at the time.
Um... OK.

Post by krp
You seem UNABLE (it's that
POLACK thing again)

http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com/race.html

Post by krp
to deal with the fact that I have made a number of trips
to Cuba. You can't sort one out from another. It confuses the POLACK brain.

http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com/race.html

Post by krp

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp

Post by krp

Post by freedom
The funniest part was when he posted "boarding passes" to the Photoshop
newsgroup, which were immediately recognized as fakes. By the people HE
had gone to for help, no less.

Yeah some KID chimed in with that opinion - as well as his claim to LIVING
NEXT to the CEO of American Airlines who he alleged CONFIRMED to him that
American had NO flights to Cuba, yet I was able to show they DID.

Odd that his claim of living next to the CEO was and is yours alone.

Sorry the KID made the claim that the CEO of American told him that
AMerican NEVER flew to Cuba. I proved they did. The KID disappeared.

He made no such claim. You may recall my linking to the thread on
Google.

There was more than one thread. The KID did claim there were NO flights
by American Airlines to Cuba. THERE ARE. I sourced that into thr ground.

Odd that you alone are aware of the thread you reference.
Unless you're willing to admit you've been lying all this time,
post a link to the thread, or better yet the post, when the claim can
be found.

Post by krp

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp

Post by krp
Lots of assholes say things on usenet. You fail to mention the folks who
say that
the photos were NOT altered.

No one in the group claimed they were not altered.

Sure they did. Even Betty HERE admitted the photos were NOT altered.

She stated she couldn't tell. Not the same as what you are LYING
about.

She expressed her opinion that they were NOT! Quit being so dishonest.

She stated she couldn't tell.
Why are you LYING about what Betty claimed?

Post by krp

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp

Post by krp
People can SEE for themsleves.
http://web.archive.org/web/20040218162016/www.krpconsulting.net/nav01/ticket_01.jpeg
The LIAR here is DAVID D. MOORE!! NO alterations at all Davey.

Why don't you link to the scan that got everyone to claim they
look fake?

It's on Photobucket, Kunt. ALL of them that youir PAL Moore claims are
faked are. http://s283.photobucket.com/albums/kk302/kenPphotos/ AGAIN Kunt,
take you SHOT at PROVING them to have been altered.

I've not claimed they are. Only that one LOOKS altered.
You acknowledged the font and ink looks different.

Kunt you HAVE claimed to be a computer expert.

Outside of your drunken delusions, of which you have many, I've
made no such claim.

Post by krp
AT that time both travel
agencies AND at airports - MECHANICAL PRINTERS were in common use. Without
giving an IGNORAMUS POLACK

http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com/race.html

Post by krp
a detailed lesson, ALL mechanical printers have
variations of print (ink) density and alignment. Even modern ink-jets aren't
always perfect. NO mechanical device is.

And it took you TWO YEARS+ to come up with that excuse?

Post by krp

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp
realize walking in that the documents are EXTERNALLY VERIFIABLE. Do you
know what that means? That means that the facts of each document CAN be
verified through the airline, through the travel agency AND via the
government, since ALL travel to Cuba IS regulated and the information CAN be
obtained via a FOIA request. It's not MY job to prove YOU wrong, it is yours
to prove ME wrong.

You must PROVE your claim that the tickets are genuine and valid.
You made the claim that they are, so it befalls you to prove it.

They stand on their own and are EXTERNALLY verifiable. The travel agency
(ABC Charters issued the tickets) and HAS confirmed them. If that isn not
good enough for a Polack, then you have the airline and the FAA.

http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com/race.html

Post by krp

Post by Kent Wills

Post by krp
To PROVE that my evidence is fake, and you CAN'T do that,
Kunt. Cut your loses and RUN, little boy.

It's not my job to prove them fakes. It's your burden to prove them
real.
If they are fakes, you'll never be able to prove them to be real.

I have by publicly posting them.

That doesn't prove they're real.

Post by krp
I don't need to satisfy every one of
your mental delusions. YOU claim they are FAKE! PROVE IT!

You claim they are real. Prove it or admit they are fakes. I
give you no other options.
Failure to prove they are real will be seen as an admission from
you that they are fakes and that you LIED about when you visited Cuba.


"Maybe he's like me to attach some kiddie porn to aid his fantasies"
Kenneth Robert Pangborn, of KRP Consulting and The A-Team, expressing
his fondness for child porn in
Message-ID:
<RECUi.494$Q%***@trnddc04>

[freedom]

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

Post by krp
DAVID DANIEL MOORE - LOTUS SOLUTIONS CONSULTANT

...........didn't author the message in question. Kindly cease
attributing my posts to someone else....unlike you, I take full
responsibility for everything I post.

Post by krp

Post by freedom
1. KEN PANGBORN HAS A LONG LIST OF DISSATISFIED CLIENTS AND WOULD-BE
CLIENTS.
http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com contains testimonials from former
clients of Ken.
(They are figments of Moore's vivid imagination.)

And yet, you argued with and/or about several of them here on usenet and on
your listserv.

And why did you alter the http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com URL again?
Scared?

Post by krp

Post by freedom
Ken also has been unable to produce a single former client who will vouch
for his services.

Sure -

Thanks for acknowledging that not a single former client will vouch for
your services.

Post by krp
and you have TRIED to harass them both via e-mail and by making
false reports about them to officials.

Who is "them"? You just admitted that none exist. Can't you keep your
lies straight in the same sentence?

Post by krp

Post by freedom
Consider Ken's own track record. He has been divorced at least twice,
under very nasty circumstances.

Well in relative terms - neither was particularly "nasty" although
divorce is never "FUN!"

They were "nasty" enough that both women contacted strangers on the
internet to dish dirt on you. But then, you admitted to cheating on Peggy.

Post by krp

Post by freedom
He had to purchase a wife from Cuba who barely speaks any English

So YOU keep claiming, she's fluent in English and there was NO
"purchasing" that went on. At least no more than is typical in marriages
where the man pays for the license. All we have is YOUR hysterical claims on
this score, Moore.

Post by freedom
His own daughters won't speak to him

Bullshit. Absolutely UNTRUE!

Absolutely true.

Post by krp

Post by freedom
Ken also confessed that his affair with his current wife, Barbara, began
while he was still married to and living with his former wife Peggy.

No answer to this one? ROFL!

http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com
The truth about Kenneth Pangborn, who supports convicted child sex
criminals

"[I have] [n]ever had [any] standing in the Texas Criminal Defense Lawyer's
Association or AN Y connection to them."
- --Ken Pangborn in a usenet post on January 1, 2009, denying affiliation
with the TCDLA, to whom he provided bogus educational credentials. His lie
is disproved here:
http://web.archive.org/web/20060822021821/www.tcdla.com/secure/experts/inde
x.shtml

"Some photo of some girl without even any documentation on THAT only proves
that YOU are a PSYCHO! A really STUPID one at that!"
- --Ken Pangborn, admitting to being a "stupid" "psycho" in message-ID
<jOp3l.292$***@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>

"The FACT is that [my mail-order wife Barbara Sanciprian] and I were
introduced in the FORMAL Spanish tradition by mutual friends, and were
married first in Cuba after 2 year courtship."
- --Ken Pangborn, admitting that he began cheating on his wife Peggy on
September 28, 2001, nearly two years before she separated from him

"I'm David Moore and I am insane!"
- --Ken Pangborn posting to alt.dads-rights.unmoderated, attempting to
claim that his name is David Moore

"If you call the police, I'll knock out all of your teeth, I'll cripple
you. I may go to prison for it, but when I get out, I'll be able to walk,
but you will still be a cripple."
- --Pangborn puppet Greg Hanson of alt.support.child-protective-services
**, in a verbal threat to his girlfriend


** - this conclusion was reached via applying Ken and Greg's logic

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harassment,child abuse,domestic violence,rape allegations,false allegations
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accusations,recovered memories,child sexual abuse,abuse child,sexual
assault,child molestation,reactive attachment disorder,penile
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More-keywords: KRP CONSULTING. False allegations of child abuse, false
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Extra-keywords: Julito Sainz,craig clawson,lia yisell

[krp]

DAVID MOORE LOTUS SOLUTIONS CONSULTANT (VANDAL)

Post by freedom
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Post by krp

Post by freedom
1. KEN PANGBORN HAS A LONG LIST OF DISSATISFIED CLIENTS AND WOULD-BE
CLIENTS.
http://www.aboutken contains testimonials from former
clients of Ken.
(They are figments of Moore's vivid imagination.)

And yet, you argued with and/or about several of them here on usenet and on
your listserv.

I was fooled for a little while, Moore. But not for long.

Post by freedom

Post by krp

Post by freedom
Ken also has been unable to produce a single former client who will vouch
for his services.

DAVID MOORE ALTERS TEXT (POST EDIT) yet AGAIN.

Post by freedom

Post by krp
Sure -

Thanks for acknowledging that not a single former client will vouch for
your services.

No such admission outside yhour syphlys addled mind, Davey.

Post by freedom

Post by krp
and you have TRIED to harass them both via e-mail and by making
false reports about them to officials.

Who is "them"? You just admitted that none exist. Can't you keep your
lies straight in the same sentence?

No I didn't "admit" anything. One of the people you tried to harass was
Mark who told you to piss off. You ever tried to harass the guy in Ohio
till HE told you to piss off as well.

Post by freedom

Post by krp

Post by freedom
Consider Ken's own track record. He has been divorced at least twice,
under very nasty circumstances.

Well in relative terms - neither was particularly "nasty" although
divorce is never "FUN!"

They were "nasty" enough that both women contacted strangers on the
internet to dish dirt on you. But then, you admitted to cheating on Peggy.

BULLSHIT! Neither did. We only have YOUR claims that they contacted you.
And one you claimed to have had almost DAILY contact with had been DEAD for
years. You offered at least 20 different versions of her name, NONE of them
correct. NONE even close.

Post by freedom

Post by krp

Post by freedom
He had to purchase a wife from Cuba who barely speaks any English

So YOU keep claiming, she's fluent in English and there was NO
"purchasing" that went on. At least no more than is typical in marriages
where the man pays for the license. All we have is YOUR hysterical claims on
this score, Moore.

Post by freedom
His own daughters won't speak to him

Bullshit. Absolutely UNTRUE!

Absolutely true.

Absolutely UNTRUE. Have spoken to them in the past few days. You keep
making shit up. It's so ...... well ... so.. DAVID MOORE of you.

Post by freedom

Post by krp

Post by freedom
Ken also confessed that his affair with his current wife, Barbara, began
while he was still married to and living with his former wife Peggy.

No answer to this one? ROFL!

Just that is one more of your BORING LIES. TRY to be original with your
BULLSHIT Davey. I didn't even know about Barbara until AFTER I was separated
from my ex. TRY AGAIN.

REASONS TO NEVER HIRE DAVID MOORE OR ALLOW HIM TO FIDDLE WITH YOUR
COMPUTER.

1. He WILL install back doors on your system so he can secretly access it to
use to harass people and hide his real identity.

2. He will start fights between your employees and turn your office into
chaos.

3. He will sexually harass women in your company and blame others for his
actions. He'll try to BLACKMAIL the women into having sex with him. He'll
create elaborate bullshit to make the women look like the culprits.

[KRP]

DAVID MOORE COMPUTER VANDAL

Post by freedom
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They were "nasty" enough that both women contacted strangers on the
internet to dish dirt on you. But then, you admitted to cheating on Peggy.

More David Moore FICTION.

Post by freedom

Post by krp

Post by freedom
He had to purchase a wife from Cuba who barely speaks any English

So YOU keep claiming, she's fluent in English and there was NO
"purchasing" that went on. At least no more than is typical in marriages
where the man pays for the license. All we have is YOUR hysterical claims on
this score, Moore.

Post by freedom
His own daughters won't speak to him

Bullshit. Absolutely UNTRUE!

Absolutely true.

Abaolute BULLSHIT, MOORE

Post by freedom

Post by krp

Post by freedom
Ken also confessed that his affair with his current wife, Barbara, began
while he was still married to and living with his former wife Peggy.

No answer to this one? ROFL!

I already said - YOU ARE LYING.

[Greegor]

HERE'S WHY!

http://www.thetimesonline.com/articles/2007/06/10/news/porter_county/docc35ea9cd21c834f1862572f4007bfc11.txt

Sunday, June 10, 2007
ARRESTS
Monday through Friday [ June 4 to June 8 ]
Battery David Moore, 36, Calumet City

David Daniel Moore court records: David D. Moore
DOB 9/26/70 850 Buffalo Avenue, Calumet City, IL
case 64D 060706FD 4989 Monday June 4th 2007
Class D Felony, Assault on somebody under 14 years old
pretrial February 8th 8:30 hearing on March 12th 1PM
The North Porter County complex is in Portage, Indiana
219 759 8219 no e-records, won't fax or e-mail records
paid $2000 bond, Attorney Robert Harper Portage, Indiana
does not have a probation officer pre-trial

BOLINGBROOK, IL
TWENTYNINE PALMS, CA (Marine Base)
LOS ANGELES, CA
CALUMET CITY, IL (850 Buffalo Ave)
ARLINGTON HEIGHTS, IL

http://www.cookcountyassessor.com/data/searchflat/ParcelImage.asp?pin=30182330330000

http://www.public-records-now.com/Search/SearchResults.aspx?vw=people&input=name&fn=Janet&mn=M&ln=Moore&city=Calumet%20City&state=IL

http://www.whitepages.com/search/ReverseAddress?street=850+buffalo+ave&where=Calumet+City%2C+IL

[freedom]

Post by Greegor
HERE'S WHY!
http://www.thetimesonline.com/articles/2007/06/10/news/porter_county/docc3
5ea9cd21c834f1862572f4007bfc11.txt
Sunday, June 10, 2007
ARRESTS
Monday through Friday [ June 4 to June 8 ]
Battery David Moore, 36, Calumet City

Wow. A false accusation which was dismissed a year and a half ago, and
which was proven to be a different David Moore two years ago.

That's the best you've got? At least Ken makes up NEW lies rather than
just copying and pasting the old ones. No wonder he considers you a below
average schmuck.

Post by Greegor
David Daniel Moore court records: David D. Moore

Which by Ken's own admission refers to someone other than me.

Post by Greegor
DOB 9/26/70 850 Buffalo Avenue, Calumet City, IL
case 64D 060706FD 4989 Monday June 4th 2007
Class D Felony, Assault on somebody under 14 years old
pretrial February 8th 8:30 hearing on March 12th 1PM

Wasn't that the date that changed three times within the space of two
usenet posts?

Post by Greegor
The North Porter County complex is in Portage, Indiana
219 759 8219 no e-records, won't fax or e-mail records
paid $2000 bond, Attorney Robert Harper Portage, Indiana

$2000 bond? From someone whom Ken claims is "on welfare" and "can't afford
a Big Mac"? I don't even have to lift a finger to disprove Ken's lies
anymore, you're doing it for me! LOL....

Post by Greegor
does not have a probation officer pre-trial

A probation officer wouldn't be assigned before a trial, dumb fuck. This
would come after the defendant was found guilty. Which, in this case, was
never, as his case was dismissed.

Made any threats like the following lately?

"If you call the police, I'll knock out all of your teeth, I'll cripple
you. I may go to prison for it, but when I get out, I'll be able to walk,
but you will still be a cripple."


http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com
The truth about Kenneth Pangborn, who supports convicted child sex
criminals

"[I have] [n]ever had [any] standing in the Texas Criminal Defense Lawyer's
Association or AN Y connection to them."
--Ken Pangborn in a usenet post on January 1, 2009, denying affiliation
with the TCDLA, to whom he provided bogus educational credentials. His lie
is disproved here:
http://web.archive.org/web/20060822021821/www.tcdla.com/secure/experts/inde
x.shtml

"Some photo of some girl without even any documentation on THAT only proves
that YOU are a PSYCHO! A really STUPID one at that!"
--Ken Pangborn, admitting to being a "stupid" "psycho" in message-ID
<jOp3l.292$***@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>

"The FACT is that [my mail-order wife Barbara Sanciprian] and I were
introduced in the FORMAL Spanish tradition by mutual friends, and were
married first in Cuba after 2 year courtship."
--Ken Pangborn, admitting that he began cheating on his wife Peggy on
September 28, 2001, nearly two years before she separated from him

"I'm David Moore and I am insane!"
--Ken Pangborn posting to alt.dads-rights.unmoderated, attempting to claim
that his name is David Moore

"If you call the police, I'll knock out all of your teeth, I'll cripple
you. I may go to prison for it, but when I get out, I'll be able to walk,
but you will still be a cripple."
--Pangborn puppet Greg Hanson of alt.support.child-protective-services **,
in a verbal threat to his girlfriend


** - this conclusion was reached via applying Ken and Greg's logic

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harassment,child abuse,domestic violence,rape allegations,false allegations
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assault,child molestation,reactive attachment disorder,penile
plethysmograph,polygraph,attorneys,divorce,visitation,pedophiles
More-keywords: KRP CONSULTING. False allegations of child abuse, false
abuse accusations, false domestic violence allegations help, false rape
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allegations, false accusations, recovered memories, sexual assault, child
molestation, child sexual abuse, reactive attachment disorder, penile
plethysmograph, polygraph, trial consulting, jury consulting, jury
selection, jury voire dire, wrongful allegations, false child sexual abuse
allegations. Wrongful child sexual abuse allegations. Domestic Violence.
Rape. Marital rape. Date Rape. Confidence Rape.
Yet-more-keywords: ken pangborn,kenneth pangborn,barbara pangborn,barbara
sanciprian,palm harbor,tampa,attorneys,florida lawyers,florida
attorneys,tampa lawyers,tampa attorneys,trial consultant,trial
consulting,dui,domestic violence,vawa,abuse,3648 cockatoo,new port
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sanciprian,bryce carter,holguin,julio aguilar,yudith bacallao,raimundo
cabrera,ana hernandez chi,lixandro cordero,leandis diaz,al faisbuker,wendy
gil,armando capo ramos,george riveron,reinaldo rodriguez,lexis ross,liana
yisell alvarez silveira,madelyn tamayo,manuel toledo,thais valdes
Extra-keywords: Julito Sainz,craig clawson,lia yisell

[Greegor]

http://www.thetimesonline.com/articles/2007/06/10/news/porter_county/docc35ea9cd21c834f1862572f4007bfc11.txt

Sunday, June 10, 2007
ARRESTS
Monday through Friday [ June 4 to June 8 ]
Battery David Moore, 36, Calumet City

DDM > Wow.  A false accusation which was dismissed a year and a half
ago,

DDM > and which was proven to be a different David Moore two years
ago.

I guess I MISSED that proof you refer to.
Got a LINK to that?

Was that like the ""anonymous"" person who
supposedly said they went to your address
and it was a 30 something black woman?

http://www.public-records-now.com/Search/SearchResults.aspx?vw=people&input=name&fn=Janet&mn=M&ln=Moore&city=Calumet%20City&state=IL

http://www.whitepages.com/search/ReverseAddress?street=850+buffalo+ave&where=Calumet+City%2C+IL

DDM > That's the best you've got?  At least Ken makes
DDM > up NEW lies rather than just copying and
DDM > pasting the old ones.  No wonder he considers
DDM > you a below average schmuck.

Next you'll complain that I run a hate site and spam it
on a big sig at the bottom of every post.

[freedom]

http://www.thetimesonline.com/articles/2007/06/10/news/porter_county/docc3=
5ea9cd21c834f1862572f4007bfc11.txt
Sunday, June 10, 2007
ARRESTS
Monday through Friday [ June 4 to June 8 ]
Battery David Moore, 36, Calumet City
DDM > Wow. =A0A false accusation which was dismissed a year and a half
ago,
DDM > and which was proven to be a different David Moore two years
ago.
I guess I MISSED that proof you refer to.

Nope, you didn't. Like Ken, however, you simply ignore the facts which
don't fit the lie you're trying to tell.

Got a LINK to that?

Sure do....

Here's a post Ken made over nine years ago, stating that I'm "nearing 40":

http://groups.google.com/group/fl.general/msg/6033ae6a3c6f6656

Here's another from 2002, from the "Judgedredd" account which he insists
wasn't his:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.privacy.anon-server/msg/02361330b5811487=


If I was almost 40 years old in 2000, it's impossible that I could be the
36-year old man who was mentioned as being falsely accused in 2007. Have
trouble with basic math, do you? Why am I not surprised?

Here's a post where Ken states that my middle name is "Dennis":

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.true-crime/msg/4d690297d8544a04

Here's another:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.romance/msg/6d0a3e67b82b37a8

Here's another:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.radio.talk.dr-laura/msg/d1c4c7897519b589=


As you and Ken have both claimed (well, he has claimed, you have mindlessly=

repeated) that the person falsely charged had a different middle name, this=

is further evidence that I'm not the person in question.

Was that like the ""anonymous"" person who
supposedly said they went to your address
and it was a 30 something black woman?

Nobody, anonymous or otherwise, said anything about having gone to my
address. The person making the statement about the black woman was in the
Chicago area....a full days' travel from my address.

http://www.public-records-now.com/Search/SearchResults.aspx?vw=3Dpeople&in=

pu

t=3Dname&fn=3DJanet&mn=3DM&ln=3DMoore&city=3DCalumet%20City&state=3DIL
http://www.whitepages.com/search/ReverseAddress?street=3D850+buffalo+ave&w=

he

re=3DCalumet+City%2C+IL

Which has nothing to do with me.

DDM > That's the best you've got? =A0At least Ken makes
DDM > up NEW lies rather than just copying and
DDM > pasting the old ones. =A0No wonder he considers
DDM > you a below average schmuck.
Next you'll complain that I run a hate site and spam it
on a big sig at the bottom of every post.

You lack the knowledge to create a web site.

http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com
The truth about Kenneth Pangborn, who supports convicted child sex
criminals

"[I have] [n]ever had [any] standing in the Texas Criminal Defense Lawyer's=

Association or AN Y connection to them."
--Ken Pangborn in a usenet post on January 1, 2009, denying affiliation
with the TCDLA, to whom he provided bogus educational credentials. His lie=

is disproved here:
http://web.archive.org/web/20060822021821/www.tcdla.com/secure/experts/inde=

x.shtml

"Some photo of some girl without even any documentation on THAT only proves=

that YOU are a PSYCHO! A really STUPID one at that!"
--Ken Pangborn, admitting to being a "stupid" "psycho" in message-ID
<jOp3l.292$***@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>

"The FACT is that [my mail-order wife Barbara Sanciprian] and I were
introduced in the FORMAL Spanish tradition by mutual friends, and were
married first in Cuba after 2 year courtship."
--Ken Pangborn, admitting that he began cheating on his wife Peggy on
September 28, 2001, nearly two years before she separated from him

"I'm David Moore and I am insane!"
--Ken Pangborn posting to alt.dads-rights.unmoderated, attempting to claim
that his name is David Moore

"If you call the police, I'll knock out all of your teeth, I'll cripple
you. I may go to prison for it, but when I get out, I'll be able to walk,
but you will still be a cripple."
--Pangborn puppet Greg Hanson of alt.support.child-protective-services **,
in a verbal threat to his girlfriend


** - this conclusion was reached via applying Ken and Greg's logic

Keywords: false allegations,sexual abuse,marital rape, date rape, sexual
harassment,child abuse,domestic violence,rape allegations,false allegations=

of child abuse,false rape allegations,false abuse accusations,false
accusations,recovered memories,child sexual abuse,abuse child,sexual
assault,child molestation,reactive attachment disorder,penile
plethysmograph,polygraph,attorneys,divorce,visitation,pedophiles
More-keywords: KRP CONSULTING. False allegations of child abuse, false
abuse accusations, false domestic violence allegations help, false rape
allegations, abuse child, sexual abuse, child sexual abuse, false
allegations, false accusations, recovered memories, sexual assault, child
molestation, child sexual abuse, reactive attachment disorder, penile
plethysmograph, polygraph, trial consulting, jury consulting, jury
selection, jury voire dire, wrongful allegations, false child sexual abuse
allegations. Wrongful child sexual abuse allegations. Domestic Violence.
Rape. Marital rape. Date Rape. Confidence Rape.
Yet-more-keywords: ken pangborn,kenneth pangborn,barbara pangborn,barbara
sanciprian,palm harbor,tampa,attorneys,florida lawyers,florida
attorneys,tampa lawyers,tampa attorneys,trial consultant,trial
consulting,dui,domestic violence,vawa,abuse,3648 cockatoo,new port
richey,ernesto sanciprian,ernesto miguel blanco sanciprian,blanco
sanciprian,bryce carter,holguin,julio aguilar,yudith bacallao,raimundo
cabrera,ana hernandez chi,lixandro cordero,leandis diaz,al faisbuker,wendy
gil,armando capo ramos,george riveron,reinaldo rodriguez,lexis ross,liana
yisell alvarez silveira,madelyn tamayo,manuel toledo,thais valdes
Extra-keywords: Julito Sainz,craig clawson,lia yisell

[Greegor]

http://www.thetimesonline.com/articles/2007/06/10/news/porter_county/docc35ea9cd21c834f1862572f4007bfc11.txt

Sunday, June 10, 2007
ARRESTS
Monday through Friday [ June 4 to June 8 ]
Battery David Moore, 36, Calumet City

DDM > Wow. false accusation which was
DDM > dismissed a year and a half ago,

DDM > and which was proven to be a different
DDM > David Moore two years ago.

G > I guess I MISSED that proof you refer to.

DDM > Nope, you didn't.  Like Ken, however,
DDM > you simply ignore the facts which
DDM > don't fit the lie you're trying to tell.

G > Got a LINK to that?

DDM > Sure do....
DDM > Here's a post Ken made over nine
DDM > years ago, stating that I'm "nearing 40":

How would that prove that you are not
the guy named on the criminal charge 2 years ago?

Your theory is that since your opponent once
had wrong information on you, that when they
get more accurate information you can
disprove that correct information using the
previous wrong information.

Wishful thinking.

Kent tries that too.

http://groups.google.com/group/fl.general/msg/6033ae6a3c6f6656

DDM > Here's another from 2002, from the "Judgedredd"
DDM > account which he insists wasn't his:

So it's not even Ken, and it proves what exactly?

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.privacy.anon-server/msg/02361330b5...

Post by freedom
If I was

Failure to prove.

Post by freedom
almost 40 years old in 2000, it's impossible that I could be the
36-year old man who was mentioned as being falsely accused in 2007.  Have
trouble with basic math, do you?  Why am I not surprised?

If only you hadn't pissed off your other victims.

DDM > Here's a post where Ken states that my middle name is "Dennis":

Which in your mind disproves current and accurate info?

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.true-crime/msg/4d690297d8544a04

DDM > Here's another:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.romance/msg/6d0a3e67b82b37a8

DDM > Here's another:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.radio.talk.dr-laura/msg/d1c4c7897519b589=

What exactly does this post you linked to prove?

DDM > As you and Ken have both claimed (well,
DDM > he has claimed, you have mindlessly
DDM > repeated) that the person falsely charged
DDM > had a different middle name, this is

A LIE. The clerk confirmed your middle name
and address. You forgot that I called the clerk, Dave.

DDM > further evidence that I'm not the person in question.

G > Was that like the ""anonymous"" person who
G > supposedly said they went to your address
G > and it was a 30 something black woman?

DDM > Nobody, anonymous or otherwise, said
DDM > anything about having gone to my
DDM > address.  The person making the
DDM > statement about the black woman
DDM > was [ SUPPOSEDLY ] in the Chicago
DDM > area....a full days' travel from my address.

What was their name, David?
Got an IP address for them?
Phone number?

You use these fakes and sock Identities like that WAY too often.

Not to mention that their assertion
was proveably false on the internet.

http://www.public-records-now.com/Search/SearchResults.aspx?vw=people&input=name&fn=Janet&mn=M&ln=Moore&city=Calumet%20City&state=IL

http://www.whitepages.com/search/ReverseAddress?street=850+buffalo+ave&where=Calumet+City%2C+IL

DDM > Which has nothing to do with me.

DD214.

DDM > That's the best you've got? =A0At least Ken makes
DDM > up NEW lies rather than just copying and
DDM > pasting the old ones. =A0No wonder he considers
DDM > you a below average schmuck.

G > Next you'll complain that I run a hate site and spam it
G > on a big sig at the bottom of every post.

DDM > You lack the knowledge to create a web site.

Dave, I have forgotten more programming languages
than you will ever learn. Why are you pretending that
it takes skill to set up a web page?

I know of a guy who is actually mentally retarded
who has set up web pages.

DDM > "If you call the police, I'll knock out all of
DDM > your teeth, I'll cripple you. I may go to
DDM > prison for it, but when I get out, I'll be
DDM > able to walk, but you will still be a cripple."
DDM > - --Greg Hanson, in a verbal threat to his girlfriend

G > Dave you already admitted you know this isn't me.

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On Jan 30, 4:08 am, freedom <aboutKRP...> wrote:
G > Dave tried to say this was me.

DDM > No, I didn't. <snip>
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Northampton Hanson, Gregory Christian Closed H5648506 10/17/1975

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COURT OF COMMON PLEAS OF NORTHAMPTON COUNTY
DOCKET
Docket Number: CP-48-CR-0002394-2002
Court Case
CRIMINAL DOCKET
Page 1 of 17
Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
v.
Gregory Christian Hanson
CASE INFORMATION
Judge Assigned: Moran, William F. Date Filed: 08/01/2002 Initiation
Date: 08/01/2002
OTN: H5648506 Lower Court Docket No: CR-0000212-02
Initial Issuing Authority: Ralph W Litzenberger Final Issuing
Authority: Ralph W Litzenberger
Arresting Agency: Forks Twp Police Dept Arresting Officer: Affiant
Case Local Number Type(s) Case Local Number(s)
Legacy Docket Number C-48-CR-2002-2394
STATUS INFORMATION
Case Status: Closed Status Date Processing Status Arrest Date:
08/01/2002
08/01/2002 Migrated Case
Complaint Date: 08/01/2002
CONFINEMENT INFORMATION
Still in
Custody
Confinement
Reason
Destination
Location
Confinement
Type
Confinement
Known As Of
06/17/2006 DOC Confined SCI Frackville Yes
01/18/2008 State SCI Frackville Yes
01/18/2008 MDJ Confinement Northampton County Prison Bail Not Posted
Yes
11/05/2008 County Jail Northampton County Prison Yes
DEFENDANT INFORMATION
Date Of Birth: 10/17/1975 City/State/Zip: Easton, PA 18042
Alias Name
Hanson, Gregory
Hanson, Gregory C.
CASE PARTICIPANTS
Participant Type Name
Defendant Hanson, Gregory Christian
Printed: 09/29/2009
Recent entries made in the court filing offices may not be immediately
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Judicial
System of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania nor the Administrative
Office of Pennsylvania Courts assume any liability for inaccurate or
delayed
data, errors or omissions on these reports. Docket Sheet information
should not be used in place of a criminal history background check
which can
only be provided by the Pennsylvania State Police. Moreover an
employer who does not comply with the provisions of the Criminal
History Record
Information Act may be subject to civil liability as set forth in 18
Pa.C.S. Section 9183.
AOPC 2220 - Rev 09/29/2009
COURT OF COMMON PLEAS OF NORTHAMPTON COUNTY
DOCKET
Docket Number: CP-48-CR-0002394-2002
Court Case
CRIMINAL DOCKET
Page 2 of 17
Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
v.
Gregory Christian Hanson
BAIL INFORMATION
Hanson, Gregory Christian
Nebbia Status: None
Bail Action Date Bail Type Percentage Amount
Bail Posting Status Posting Date
Set 08/01/2002 Monetary $15,000.00
CHARGES
Seq. Grade Statute Statute Description Offense OTN
Date
Orig Seq.
1 1 M2 18 § 2701 §§A1 Simple Assault 08/01/2002 H5648506
2 2 M1 18 § 2706 Terroristic Threats 08/01/2002 H5648506
3 3 M3 18 § 3304 §§A1 Criminal Mischief 08/01/2002 H5648506
4 4 M2 18 § 2903 False Imprisonment 08/01/2002 H5648506
5 5 S 18 § 2709 Harassment And Stalking 08/01/2002 H5648506
6 6 M1 18 § 2706 Terroristic Threats 08/01/2002 H5648506
7 7 S 18 § 2709 §§A1 Harassment 08/01/2002 H5648506
Printed: 09/29/2009
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System of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania nor the Administrative
Office of Pennsylvania Courts assume any liability for inaccurate or
delayed
data, errors or omissions on these reports. Docket Sheet information
should not be used in place of a criminal history background check
which can
only be provided by the Pennsylvania State Police. Moreover an
employer who does not comply with the provisions of the Criminal
History Record
Information Act may be subject to civil liability as set forth in 18
Pa.C.S. Section 9183.
AOPC 2220 - Rev 09/29/2009
COURT OF COMMON PLEAS OF NORTHAMPTON COUNTY
DOCKET
Docket Number: CP-48-CR-0002394-2002
Court Case
CRIMINAL DOCKET
Page 3 of 17
Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
v.
Gregory Christian Hanson
DISPOSITION SENTENCING/PENALTIES
Disposition
Case Event Disposition Date Final Disposition
Sequence/Description Offense Disposition Section
Sentencing Judge Sentence Date Credit For Time Served
Sentence/Diversion Program Type Incarceration/Diversionary Period
Start Date
Sentence Conditions
Linked Offense - Sentence Link Type Linked Docket Number
Migrated Disposition
Migrated Dispositional Event 08/15/2002 Not Final
1 / Simple Assault Withdrawn 18§2701§§A1
2 / Terroristic Threats Withdrawn 18§2706
3 / Criminal Mischief Quashed, Dismissed, Demurrer
Sustained
18§3304§§A1
4 / False Imprisonment Withdrawn 18§2903
5 / Harassment And Stalking Withdrawn 18§2709
6 / Terroristic Threats Guilty Plea 18§2706
Moran, William F. 08/15/2002
Min of 15.00 Months
Max of 36.00 Months
Confinement
Min of 15.00 Months
Max of 36.00 Months
Financial Assessments
7 / Harassment Withdrawn 18§2709§§A1
Migrated Disposition
Migrated Dispositional Event 08/29/2002 Not Final
1 / Simple Assault Withdrawn 18§2701§§A1
2 / Terroristic Threats Withdrawn 18§2706
3 / Criminal Mischief Quashed, Dismissed, Demurrer
Sustained
18§3304§§A1
4 / False Imprisonment Withdrawn 18§2903
5 / Harassment And Stalking Withdrawn 18§2709
6 / Terroristic Threats Guilty Plea 18§2706
Moran, William F. 08/29/2002
Min of 15.00 Months
Max of 36.00 Months
Confinement
Min of 15.00 Months
Max of 36.00 Months
Financial Assessments
7 / Harassment Withdrawn 18§2709§§A1
Printed: 09/29/2009
Recent entries made in the court filing offices may not be immediately
reflected on these docket sheets. Neither the courts of the Unified
Judicial
System of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania nor the Administrative
Office of Pennsylvania Courts assume any liability for inaccurate or
delayed
data, errors or omissions on these reports. Docket Sheet information
should not be used in place of a criminal history background check
which can
only be provided by the Pennsylvania State Police. Moreover an
employer who does not comply with the provisions of the Criminal
History Record
Information Act may be subject to civil liability as set forth in 18
Pa.C.S. Section 9183.
AOPC 2220 - Rev 09/29/2009
COURT OF COMMON PLEAS OF NORTHAMPTON COUNTY
DOCKET
Docket Number: CP-48-CR-0002394-2002
Court Case
CRIMINAL DOCKET
Page 4 of 17
Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
v.
Gregory Christian Hanson
DISPOSITION SENTENCING/PENALTIES
Disposition
Case Event Disposition Date Final Disposition
Sequence/Description Offense Disposition Section
Sentencing Judge Sentence Date Credit For Time Served
Sentence/Diversion Program Type Incarceration/Diversionary Period
Start Date
Sentence Conditions
Linked Offense - Sentence Link Type Linked Docket Number
Migrated Disposition
Migrated Dispositional Event 09/20/2002 Not Final
1 / Simple Assault Withdrawn 18§2701§§A1
2 / Terroristic Threats Withdrawn 18§2706
3 / Criminal Mischief Quashed, Dismissed, Demurrer
Sustained
18§3304§§A1
4 / False Imprisonment Withdrawn 18§2903
5 / Harassment And Stalking Withdrawn 18§2709
6 / Terroristic Threats Guilty Plea 18§2706
Moran, William F. 09/20/2002
Min of 15.00 Months
Max of 36.00 Months
Confinement
Min of 15.00 Months
Max of 36.00 Months
Financial Assessments
7 / Harassment Withdrawn 18§2709§§A1
COMMONWEALTH INFORMATION
Name: Jacqueline Marie Taschner, Esq.
District Attorney
Supreme Court No: 055807
Phone Number(s):
[phone]
[phone]
(Phone)
(Fax)
Address:
Northampton County District Attorney's Office
669 Washington Street
Easton PA 18042
ATTORNEY INFORMATION
Name: Alexander J. Karam Jr., Esq.
Private
Supreme Court No: 069314
Rep. Status: Active
Phone Number(s):
[phone]
[phone]
(Phone)
(Fax)
Address:
Northampton County Conflicts Counsel
675 Walnut Street
Easton PA 18042
Representing: Hanson, Gregory Christian
Printed: 09/29/2009
Recent entries made in the court filing offices may not be immediately
reflected on these docket sheets. Neither the courts of the Unified
Judicial
System of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania nor the Administrative
Office of Pennsylvania Courts assume any liability for inaccurate or
delayed
data, errors or omissions on these reports. Docket Sheet information
should not be used in place of a criminal history background check
which can
only be provided by the Pennsylvania State Police. Moreover an
employer who does not comply with the provisions of the Criminal
History Record
Information Act may be subject to civil liability as set forth in 18
Pa.C.S. Section 9183.
AOPC 2220 - Rev 09/29/2009
COURT OF COMMON PLEAS OF NORTHAMPTON COUNTY
DOCKET
Docket Number: CP-48-CR-0002394-2002
Court Case
CRIMINAL DOCKET
Page 5 of 17
Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
v.
Gregory Christian Hanson
ENTRIES
Sequence Number CP Filed Date Document Date
1 08/01/2002
DJ: MONETARY STRAIGHT BAIL $15,000.
DJ: MONETARY STRAIGHT BAIL $15,000.00 STRAIGHT BAIL, REFRAIN FROM
ENTERING THE RESIDENCE OR
HOUSEHOLD OF THE VICTIM OR THE VICTIMS PLACE OF EMPLOYMENT. REFRAIN
FROM COMMITTING ANY
FURTHER CRIMINAL CONDUCT AGAINST THE VICTIM
Migrated, Filer
2 08/01/2002
DJ: CRIMINAL COMPLAINT FILED
DJ: CRIMINAL COMPLAINT FILED
Migrated, Filer
3 08/01/2002
DJ: PRELIMIN ARRAIGN COMPLETED
DJ: PRELIMIN ARRAIGN COMPLETED
Migrated, Filer
4 08/01/2002
Migrated Case Initiation Registry E
Migrated Case Initiation Registry Entry
Migrated, Filer
1 08/15/2002
DA: NOTICE ARRAIGNMENT SERVED
DA: NOTICE ARRAIGNMENT SERVED
Migrated, Filer
2 08/15/2002
DA: DFT WAIVED FORMAL ARRAIGN
DA: DFT WAIVED FORMAL ARRAIGN
Migrated, Filer
3 08/15/2002
MISC: ENTERS APPEARANCE AS PC ATTY
MISC: ENTERS APPEARANCE AS PC ATTY ALEXANDER KARAM ENTERED APPEARANCE
AS PC
Migrated, Filer
Printed: 09/29/2009
Recent entries made in the court filing offices may not be immediately
reflected on these docket sheets. Neither the courts of the Unified
Judicial
System of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania nor the Administrative
Office of Pennsylvania Courts assume any liability for inaccurate or
delayed
data, errors or omissions on these reports. Docket Sheet information
should not be used in place of a criminal history background check
which can
only be provided by the Pennsylvania State Police. Moreover an
employer who does not comply with the provisions of the Criminal
History Record
Information Act may be subject to civil liability as set forth in 18
Pa.C.S. Section 9183.
AOPC 2220 - Rev 09/29/2009
COURT OF COMMON PLEAS OF NORTHAMPTON COUNTY
DOCKET
Docket Number: CP-48-CR-0002394-2002
Court Case
CRIMINAL DOCKET
Page 6 of 17
Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
v.
Gregory Christian Hanson
ENTRIES
Sequence Number CP Filed Date Document Date
4 08/15/2002
HRG: PRELIMINARY HEARING HELD
HRG: PRELIMINARY HEARING HELD
Migrated, Filer
5 08/15/2002
HRG: PRELIMINARY HEARING HELD
HRG: PRELIMINARY HEARING HELD
Migrated, Filer
6 08/15/2002
DISP: QUASHED/DISM/DEMURRED
DISP: QUASHED/DISM/DEMURRED
Migrated, Filer
7 08/15/2002
HRG: PRELIMINARY HEARING HELD
HRG: PRELIMINARY HEARING HELD
Migrated, Filer
8 08/15/2002
HRG: PRELIMINARY HEARING HELD
HRG: PRELIMINARY HEARING HELD
Migrated, Filer
9 08/15/2002
Migrated Disposition
Migrated, Filer
10 08/15/2002
Migrated Sentence
Migrated, Filer
1 08/21/2002
ORD:ASSIGNED TO EGS FOR G PLEA
ORD:ASSIGNED TO EGS FOR G PLEA
Migrated, Filer
Printed: 09/29/2009
Recent entries made in the court filing offices may not be immediately
reflected on these docket sheets. Neither the courts of the Unified
Judicial
System of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania nor the Administrative
Office of Pennsylvania Courts assume any liability for inaccurate or
delayed
data, errors or omissions on these reports. Docket Sheet information
should not be used in place of a criminal history background check
which can
only be provided by the Pennsylvania State Police. Moreover an
employer who does not comply with the provisions of the Criminal
History Record
Information Act may be subject to civil liability as set forth in 18
Pa.C.S. Section 9183.
AOPC 2220 - Rev 09/29/2009
COURT OF COMMON PLEAS OF NORTHAMPTON COUNTY
DOCKET
Docket Number: CP-48-CR-0002394-2002
Court Case
CRIMINAL DOCKET
Page 7 of 17
Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
v.
Gregory Christian Hanson
ENTRIES
Sequence Number CP Filed Date Document Date
2 08/21/2002
MISC: ENTERS APPEARANCE AS PC ENTRA
MISC: ENTERS APPEARANCE AS PC ENTRANCE OF APPEARANCE FOR DEFT FILED BY
ALEXANDER KARAM,
ESQ.
Migrated, Filer
3 08/21/2002
MISC: PRAECIPE FILED PRAECIPE ON HE
MISC: PRAECIPE FILED PRAECIPE ON HEARING LIST FOR 9/13/02, IN RE:
GUILTY PLEA
Migrated, Filer
4 08/21/2002
PET: DISCOVERY AND INSPECTION
PET: DISCOVERY AND INSPECTION
Migrated, Filer
1 08/23/2002
DA: REC'D POLICE REPORT
DA: REC'D POLICE REPORT
Migrated, Filer
1 08/28/2002
MISC: PRAECIPE FILED PRAECIPE ON HE
MISC: PRAECIPE FILED PRAECIPE ON HEARING LIST FOR 9/13/02, IN RE:
PETITION FOR WRIT OF HABEAS
CORPUS FILED BY ALEXANDER KARAM, ESQ
Migrated, Filer
2 08/28/2002
PET: PETITION HABEAS CORPUS ORDER O
PET: PETITION HABEAS CORPUS ORDER OF COURT WHEREIN: THIS 8/28/02, UPON
CONSIDERATION OF THE
ATTACHED PETITION, & UPON MOTION OF ALEXANDER J KRARAM, JR., ESQ.,
ATTY FOR DEFT, A RULE IS
HEREBY DIRECTED TO THE DA, TO SHOW CAUSE, IF ANY HE HAS, WHY THE
PRAYER IN THE ATTACHED
PETITION SHOULD NOT BE GRANTED. RULE RETURNABLE 9/13/02, @ 9:00 A.M.
IN COURTROOM #1.
FREEDBERG, P.J.
Migrated, Filer
Printed: 09/29/2009
Recent entries made in the court filing offices may not be immediately
reflected on these docket sheets. Neither the courts of the Unified
Judicial
System of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania nor the Administrative
Office of Pennsylvania Courts assume any liability for inaccurate or
delayed
data, errors or omissions on these reports. Docket Sheet information
should not be used in place of a criminal history background check
which can
only be provided by the Pennsylvania State Police. Moreover an
employer who does not comply with the provisions of the Criminal
History Record
Information Act may be subject to civil liability as set forth in 18
Pa.C.S. Section 9183.
AOPC 2220 - Rev 09/29/2009
COURT OF COMMON PLEAS OF NORTHAMPTON COUNTY
DOCKET
Docket Number: CP-48-CR-0002394-2002
Court Case
CRIMINAL DOCKET
Page 8 of 17
Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
v.
Gregory Christian Hanson
ENTRIES
Sequence Number CP Filed Date Document Date
1 08/29/2002
DISP: NOLLE PROS/WITHDRAWN
DISP: NOLLE PROS/WITHDRAWN
Migrated, Filer
2 08/29/2002
DISP: NOLLE PROS/WITHDRAWN
DISP: NOLLE PROS/WITHDRAWN
Migrated, Filer
3 08/29/2002
IF: CRIMINAL INFORMATION FILED
IF: CRIMINAL INFORMATION FILED
Migrated, Filer
4 08/29/2002
Migrated Disposition
Migrated, Filer
5 08/29/2002
Migrated Sentence
Migrated, Filer
1 09/19/2002
DA: SENT DISCOVERY TO DC SENT OR HA
DA: SENT DISCOVERY TO DC SENT OR HAND DELIVERED DISCOVERY TO ATTY
KARAM
Migrated, Filer
1 09/20/2002
AOPC: GUILTY PLEA
AOPC: GUILTY PLEA
Migrated, Filer
2 09/20/2002
MISC: GP STATEMENT FILED
MISC: GP STATEMENT FILED
Migrated, Filer
Printed: 09/29/2009
Recent entries made in the court filing offices may not be immediately
reflected on these docket sheets. Neither the courts of the Unified
Judicial
System of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania nor the Administrative
Office of Pennsylvania Courts assume any liability for inaccurate or
delayed
data, errors or omissions on these reports. Docket Sheet information
should not be used in place of a criminal history background check
which can
only be provided by the Pennsylvania State Police. Moreover an
employer who does not comply with the provisions of the Criminal
History Record
Information Act may be subject to civil liability as set forth in 18
Pa.C.S. Section 9183.
AOPC 2220 - Rev 09/29/2009
COURT OF COMMON PLEAS OF NORTHAMPTON COUNTY
DOCKET
Docket Number: CP-48-CR-0002394-2002
Court Case
CRIMINAL DOCKET
Page 9 of 17
Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
v.
Gregory Christian Hanson
ENTRIES
Sequence Number CP Filed Date Document Date
3 09/20/2002
PET: CW RECIPROCAL NOTICE CW'S RECI
PET: CW RECIPROCAL NOTICE CW'S RECIPROCAL REQUEST FOR PRETRIAL
DISCOVERY
Migrated, Filer
4 09/20/2002
AOPC: AVAILABLE FOR SENTENCING
AOPC: AVAILABLE FOR SENTENCING
Migrated, Filer
5 09/20/2002
PSI: COUNTY
PSI: COUNTY
Migrated, Filer
6 09/20/2002
EVAL: PSYCHOLOGICAL EVAL
EVAL: PSYCHOLOGICAL EVAL
Migrated, Filer
7 09/20/2002
EVAL: PSYCHIATRIC EVALUATION
EVAL: PSYCHIATRIC EVALUATION
Migrated, Filer
8 09/20/2002
DISP: NOLLE PROS/WITHDRAWN
DISP: NOLLE PROS/WITHDRAWN
Migrated, Filer
9 09/20/2002
DISP: NOLLE PROS/WITHDRAWN
DISP: NOLLE PROS/WITHDRAWN
Migrated, Filer
Printed: 09/29/2009
Recent entries made in the court filing offices may not be immediately
reflected on these docket sheets. Neither the courts of the Unified
Judicial
System of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania nor the Administrative
Office of Pennsylvania Courts assume any liability for inaccurate or
delayed
data, errors or omissions on these reports. Docket Sheet information
should not be used in place of a criminal history background check
which can
only be provided by the Pennsylvania State Police. Moreover an
employer who does not comply with the provisions of the Criminal
History Record
Information Act may be subject to civil liability as set forth in 18
Pa.C.S. Section 9183.
AOPC 2220 - Rev 09/29/2009
COURT OF COMMON PLEAS OF NORTHAMPTON COUNTY
DOCKET
Docket Number: CP-48-CR-0002394-2002
Court Case
CRIMINAL DOCKET
Page 10 of 17
Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
v.
Gregory Christian Hanson
ENTRIES
Sequence Number CP Filed Date Document Date
10 09/20/2002
DISP: NEGOTIATED GUILTY PLEA
DISP: NEGOTIATED GUILTY PLEA
Migrated, Filer
11 09/20/2002
DISP: NOLLE PROS/WITHDRAWN
DISP: NOLLE PROS/WITHDRAWN
Migrated, Filer
12 09/20/2002
DISP: NEGOTIATED GUILTY PLEA
DISP: NEGOTIATED GUILTY PLEA
Migrated, Filer
13 09/20/2002
Migrated Disposition
Migrated, Filer
14 09/20/2002
Migrated Sentence
Migrated, Filer
1 10/03/2002
ORD: TRANSCRIPT FILED TRANSCRIPT OF
ORD: TRANSCRIPT FILED TRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS/GUILTY PLEA HEARD
BEFORE THE HONORABLE
WILLIAM F MORAN, JUDGE ON 9/20/02 ADA: TASCHNER DEF: KARAM REPORTER:
DAVIS
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1 10/09/2002
HRG: CRIMINAL TRIAL Calendar Postin
HRG: CRIMINAL TRIAL Calendar Posting on 08-21-2002
Migrated, Filer
1 12/06/2002
HRG: SENTENCING Calendar Posting on
HRG: SENTENCING Calendar Posting on 09-23-2002
Migrated, Filer
Printed: 09/29/2009
Recent entries made in the court filing offices may not be immediately
reflected on these docket sheets. Neither the courts of the Unified
Judicial
System of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania nor the Administrative
Office of Pennsylvania Courts assume any liability for inaccurate or
delayed
data, errors or omissions on these reports. Docket Sheet information
should not be used in place of a criminal history background check
which can
only be provided by the Pennsylvania State Police. Moreover an
employer who does not comply with the provisions of the Criminal
History Record
Information Act may be subject to civil liability as set forth in 18
Pa.C.S. Section 9183.
AOPC 2220 - Rev 09/29/2009
COURT OF COMMON PLEAS OF NORTHAMPTON COUNTY
DOCKET
Docket Number: CP-48-CR-0002394-2002
Court Case
CRIMINAL DOCKET
Page 11 of 17
Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
v.
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ENTRIES
Sequence Number CP Filed Date Document Date
2 12/06/2002
SENT: JAIL/PRISON Count 6-2 Consecu
SENT: JAIL/PRISON Count 6-2 Consecutive. Sentenced: 0 years 36 months
0 days Confinement P
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3 12/06/2002
SENT: PROBATION Count: 6-2 Concurre
SENT: PROBATION Count: 6-2 Concurrent. Sentenced: 0 years 21 months 0
days
Migrated, Filer
1 12/16/2002
PET: RECON/POST SENTENCE RECON OF S
PET: RECON/POST SENTENCE RECON OF SENTENCE FILED BY JAMES HEIDECKER,
ESQ. MORAN, JUDGE
Migrated, Filer
1 12/20/2002
MISC: W/D APPEARANCE AS PC W/D APPE
MISC: W/D APPEARANCE AS PC W/D APPEARANCE FOR DEFT FILED BY ALEXANDER
KARAM, ESQ
Migrated, Filer
1 01/10/2003
ORD:RECON/POST SENTENCE DENIED ORDE
ORD:RECON/POST SENTENCE DENIED ORDER OF COURT WHEREIN: THIS 1/10/03,
THE PETITION TO
RECONSIDER SENTENCE FILED BY DEFT ON 12/16/02, IS DENIED WITHOUT
HEARING. MORAN, JUDGE
Migrated, Filer
1 01/14/2003
ASMT: ALL CHG, GUILTY PLEA Count 6-
ASMT: ALL CHG, GUILTY PLEA Count 6-2 ($120.00) ASMT: ALL CHG, GUILTY
PLEA
Migrated, Filer
2 01/14/2003
ASMT: DA ADMINISTRATION FEE Count 6
ASMT: DA ADMINISTRATION FEE Count 6-2 ($50.00) ASMT: DA ADMINISTRATION
FEE
Migrated, Filer
Printed: 09/29/2009
Recent entries made in the court filing offices may not be immediately
reflected on these docket sheets. Neither the courts of the Unified
Judicial
System of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania nor the Administrative
Office of Pennsylvania Courts assume any liability for inaccurate or
delayed
data, errors or omissions on these reports. Docket Sheet information
should not be used in place of a criminal history background check
which can
only be provided by the Pennsylvania State Police. Moreover an
employer who does not comply with the provisions of the Criminal
History Record
Information Act may be subject to civil liability as set forth in 18
Pa.C.S. Section 9183.
AOPC 2220 - Rev 09/29/2009
COURT OF COMMON PLEAS OF NORTHAMPTON COUNTY
DOCKET
Docket Number: CP-48-CR-0002394-2002
Court Case
CRIMINAL DOCKET
Page 12 of 17
Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
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ENTRIES
Sequence Number CP Filed Date Document Date
3 01/14/2003
ASMT: JUSTICE MISD Count 6-2 ($24.9
ASMT: JUSTICE MISD Count 6-2 ($24.90) ASMT: JUSTICE MISD
Migrated, Filer
4 01/14/2003
ASMT: SHERIFF Count 6-2 ($5.00) ASM
ASMT: SHERIFF Count 6-2 ($5.00) ASMT: SHERIFF
Migrated, Filer
5 01/14/2003
ASMT: POSTAGE Count 6-2 ($2.00) ASM
ASMT: POSTAGE Count 6-2 ($2.00) ASMT: POSTAGE
Migrated, Filer
6 01/14/2003
ASMT: ACT 158 CC Count 6-2 ($5.00)
ASMT: ACT 158 CC Count 6-2 ($5.00) ASMT: ACT 158 CC
Migrated, Filer
7 01/14/2003
ASMT: ACT 59 CC (MS) Count 6-2 ($1.
ASMT: ACT 59 CC (MS) Count 6-2 ($1.50) ASMT: ACT 59 CC (MS)
Migrated, Filer
8 01/14/2003
ASMT: ACT 96 RAPE CRISIS Count 6-2
ASMT: ACT 96 RAPE CRISIS Count 6-2 ($25.00) ASMT: ACT 96 RAPE CRISIS
Migrated, Filer
9 01/14/2003
ASMT: ACT 157 Count 6-2 ($10.00) AS
ASMT: ACT 157 Count 6-2 ($10.00) ASMT: ACT 157
Migrated, Filer
Printed: 09/29/2009
Recent entries made in the court filing offices may not be immediately
reflected on these docket sheets. Neither the courts of the Unified
Judicial
System of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania nor the Administrative
Office of Pennsylvania Courts assume any liability for inaccurate or
delayed
data, errors or omissions on these reports. Docket Sheet information
should not be used in place of a criminal history background check
which can
only be provided by the Pennsylvania State Police. Moreover an
employer who does not comply with the provisions of the Criminal
History Record
Information Act may be subject to civil liability as set forth in 18
Pa.C.S. Section 9183.
AOPC 2220 - Rev 09/29/2009
COURT OF COMMON PLEAS OF NORTHAMPTON COUNTY
DOCKET
Docket Number: CP-48-CR-0002394-2002
Court Case
CRIMINAL DOCKET
Page 13 of 17
Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
v.
Gregory Christian Hanson
ENTRIES
Sequence Number CP Filed Date Document Date
10 01/14/2003
ASMT: ACT 139 Count 6-2 ($15.00) AS
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ISSUE FRAMING CONFERENCE
FILED BY ATTY SCOMILLIO
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ORD: TRANSCRIPT FILED TRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS/SENTENCING BEFORE THE
HONORABLE WILLIAM F
MORAN, JUDGE ON 12/6/02 ADA: TASCHNER DEF: KARAM REPORTER: DAVIS
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Information Act may be subject to civil liability as set forth in 18
Pa.C.S. Section 9183.
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COURT OF COMMON PLEAS OF NORTHAMPTON COUNTY
DOCKET
Docket Number: CP-48-CR-0002394-2002
Court Case
CRIMINAL DOCKET
Page 14 of 17
Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
v.
Gregory Christian Hanson
ENTRIES
Sequence Number CP Filed Date Document Date
1 12/23/2003
SAP: NOTICE APPEAL SUPERIOR CT 1223
SAP: NOTICE APPEAL SUPERIOR CT 122303 NOTICE OF APPEAL FILED. NOTICE
IS HEREBY GIVEN THAT
GREGORY HANSON, DEFENDANT ABOVE NAMED, HEREBY APPEALS TO THE SUPERIOR
COURT OF
PENNSYLVANIA FROM THE SENTENCING ORDER EN- TERED IN THIS MATTER ON THE
6TH DAY OF
DECEMBER 2002, AND AS PERMITTED BY ORDER ENTERED ON DECEMBER 12, 2003.
THESE ORDERS HAVE
BEEN ENTERED IN THE DOCKET AS EVIDENCE BY THE ATTACHED COPY OF THE
DOCKET ENTRY.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED, BY; VICTOR E. SCOMILLIO, ATTORNEY FOR
DEFENDANT. PROOF OF SERVICE
FILED.
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PET: RELEASE TRANSCRIPT 122303 ORDER FOR REQUEST OF TRANSCRIPT FILED.
A NOTICE OF APPEAL
HAVING BEEN FILED IN THIS MATTER, THE OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER IS
HEREBY ORDERED TO PRODUCE,
CERTIFY AND FILE THE TRANSCRIPT IN THIS MATTER IN CONFORMITY WITH RULE
1922 OF THE
PENNSYLVANIA RULES OF APPELLATE PROCEDURE. RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED,
VICTOR F. SCOMILLIO,
ATTORNEY FOR DEFENDANT.
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SAP: MATTERS COMPLAINED OF 122303 STATEMENT OF MATTERS COMPLAINED OF
PURSUANT TO
PENNSYLVANIA RULE OF APPELLATE PROCEDURE 1925 FILED. RESPECTFULLY
SUBMITTED, VICTOR E.
SCOMILLIO, ATTORNEY FOR DEFENDANT
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History Record
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Pa.C.S. Section 9183.
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COURT OF COMMON PLEAS OF NORTHAMPTON COUNTY
DOCKET
Docket Number: CP-48-CR-0002394-2002
Court Case
CRIMINAL DOCKET
Page 15 of 17
Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
v.
Gregory Christian Hanson
ENTRIES
Sequence Number CP Filed Date Document Date
1 12/24/2003
ORD: ORDER OF COURT 122403 ORDER OF
ORD: ORDER OF COURT 122403 ORDER OF COURT FILED DATED DECEMBER 12,
2003. AND NOW, THIS 12TH
DAY OF DECEMBER 2003, AFTER CONFERENCE WITH ASSISTANT DISTRICT
ATTORNEY JACQUELINE
TASCHNER AND DEFEN- DANT'S PCRA COUNSEL, ATTORNEY VICTOR SCOMILLIO,
THE PETITION IS GRANTED
IN THE FOLLOWING MANNER: IT IS ORDERED AND DIR- ECTED THAT THE
DEFENDANT, GREGORY C.
HANSON, SHALL BE PER- MITTED TO FILE AN APPEAL WITH THE SUPERIOR COURT
NUNC PRO TUNC. THE
DISTRICT ATTORNEY CONCEDES THAT MR. HANSON WAS NOT ADVISED OF HIS
RIGHT TO FILE A TIMELY
APPEAL TO THE SUPERIOR COURT AFTER THIS COURT DENIED THE DEFENDANT'S
PETITION FOR
RECONSIDERATION OF SENTENCE ON JANUARY 10, 2003 THE COURT NOTES IN
THIS REGARD THAT PRIOR
COUNSEL FOR THE DEFENDANT, JAMES HEIDECKER, HAS BEEN SUSPENDED FROM
THE PRACTICE OF LAW
BY ORDER OF THE SUPREME COURT WITH RESPECT TO OTHER ACTIONS INVOLVING,
THE COURT
BELIEVES, CRIMINAL DE- FENSE WORK. THE INTERESTS OF JUSTICE WILL BE
SERVED BY PER- MITTING
THIS MOTION WITHOUT FURTHER LITIGATION OF THE AVER- MENTS OF FACT
CONTAINED IN THE PETITION
FOR POST-TRIAL RE- LIEF. IT IS FURTHER ORDERED AND DIRECTED THAT THE
NOTES OF TESTIMONY AT THE
GUILTY PLEA HEARING CONDUCTED BY THE COURT ON SEPTEMBER 2ND, 2002, AND
THE SENTENCINGON
DECEMBER 6, 2002, SHALL BE PROMPTLY TRANSCRIBED. A COPY OF THIS ORDER
SHALL BE PROVIDED TO
THE COURT ADMINISTRATOR, WHO SHALL ASSIST COUNSEL FOR THE DEFENDANT IN
PROCURING THE
TRANS- CRIPTS FROM THE STENOGRAPHER, MARY DAVIS, WHO IS NO LONGER IN
THE EMPLOY OF THE
COUNTY. BY THE COURT: WILLIAM F. MORAN JUDGE
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COURT, CERTIFIED MAIL
#7002 2410 0005 6690 2774.
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SAP: RECPT SUPERIOR CRT APPEAL 123103 SUPERIOR COURT OF PENNSYLVANIA
APPEAL DOCKET SHEET
RECEIVED. DOCKET NUMBER 3801 EDA 2003. RECORDS DUE ON FEBRUARY 2,
2004.
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CERTIFIED MAIL #7002
2410 0005 6690 2613.
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Information Act may be subject to civil liability as set forth in 18
Pa.C.S. Section 9183.
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COURT OF COMMON PLEAS OF NORTHAMPTON COUNTY
DOCKET
Docket Number: CP-48-CR-0002394-2002
Court Case
CRIMINAL DOCKET
Page 16 of 17
Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
v.
Gregory Christian Hanson
ENTRIES
Sequence Number CP Filed Date Document Date
2 02/25/2004
SAP: ORDER OF COURT 1925A 022504 PE
SAP: ORDER OF COURT 1925A 022504 PENNSYLVANIA RULE OF APPELLATE
PROCEDURE 1925 STATE- MENT
FILED. NOTICE OF AN APPEAL TO THE SUPERIOR COURT OF PENNSYLVANIA FROM
THE JUDGMENT OF
SENTENCE DATED DECEMBER 6, 2002, AND AS PERMITTED BY ORDER OF COURT
DATED DECEMBER 12,
2003, IN THE ABOVE-CAPTIONED MATTER HAS BEEN RECEIVED. WE HEREBY
SPECIFY THAT THE PLACE IN
THE RECORD WHERE THE REASONS OF THIS LOWER COURT MAY BE FOUND IS IN
THE TRANS- CRIPT OF
THE GUILTY PLEA PROCEEDING DATED SEPTEMBER 20, 2002 AND THE SENTENCING
COLLOQUY DATED
DECEMBER 6, 2002. WE FURTHER STATE THAT NO ADDITIONAL STATEMENT OF
REASONS ON OUR PART IS
REQUIRED. BY THE COURT: WILLIAM F. MORAN, JUDGE
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SAP: RETURNED FROM SUPERIOR CT 102004 RECORDS RETURNED FROM SUPERIOR
COURT.
MEMORANDUM FILED AUGUST 23, 2004. JUDGMENT OF SENTENCE AFFIRMED.
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Information Act may be subject to civil liability as set forth in 18
Pa.C.S. Section 9183.
AOPC 2220 - Rev 09/29/2009
COURT OF COMMON PLEAS OF NORTHAMPTON COUNTY
DOCKET
Docket Number: CP-48-CR-0002394-2002
Court Case
CRIMINAL DOCKET
Page 17 of 17
Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
v.
Gregory Christian Hanson
CASE FINANCIAL INFORMATION
Last Payment Date: 05/19/2008 Total of Last Payment: -$52.50
Non Monetary Total
Payments
Hanson, Gregory Christian Assessment Payments Adjustments
Defendant
Costs/Fees
Firearm Education and Training Fund $5.00 -$5.00 $0.00 $0.00 $0.00
(158 of 1994)
Crimes Commission Cost (Act 96 of $25.00 $0.00 -$25.00 $0.00 $0.00
1984)
Domestic Violence Compensation (Act $10.00 -$10.00 $0.00 $0.00 $0.00
44 of 1988)
Crime Victims Compensation (Act 96 $15.00 $0.00 -$15.00 $0.00 $0.00
of 1984)
State Court Cost (Act 204 of 1976) $8.94 -$8.94 $0.00 $0.00 $0.00
Commonwealth Cost - HB627 (Act 167 $7.66 -$7.66 $0.00 $0.00 $0.00
of 1992)
JCP $1.50 -$1.50 $0.00 $0.00 $0.00
All Charges - Guilty Plea $120.00 -$120.00 $0.00 $0.00 $0.00
(Northampton)
Sheriff Fees (Northampton) $5.00 -$5.00 $0.00 $0.00 $0.00
Justice - MSD (Northampton) $24.90 -$24.90 $0.00 $0.00 $0.00
Postage (Northampton) $2.00 -$2.00 $0.00 $0.00 $0.00
District Attorney (Northampton) $50.00 -$50.00 $0.00 $0.00 $0.00
Automation Fee (Northampton) $5.00 -$5.00 $0.00 $0.00 $0.00
Costs/Fees Totals: $280.00 -$240.00 -$40.00 $0.00 $0.00
Grand Totals: $280.00 -$240.00 -$40.00 $0.00 $0.00
** - Indicates assessment is subrogated
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Court Summary

http://ujsportal.pacourts.us/docketsheets/CourtSummaryReport.aspx?matterID=61271779

Northampton County Court of Common Pleas
Court Summary
Hanson, Gregory Christian
Frackville, PA 179312699
Aliases:
Hanson, Gregory
Hanson, Gregory C.
DOB:10/17/1975
Race:Caucasian
Hair:
Eyes:
Sex:Male
Closed
Northampton
CP-48-CR-0001279-1999
Arrest Dt: 05/03/1999
Proc Status: Migrated Case DC No: OTN:
Disp Date: Disp Judge:
Seq No Statute Grade Description Disposition
Firearms Not To Be Carried Without
A License
1 18 § 6106 F3
False Reports To Law Enforcement
Authorities
2 18 § 4906 M2
Driving While Operating Privilege
Suspended/Revoke
3 75 § 1543 S Withdrawn
Driving While Operating Privilege
Suspended/Revoke
4 75 § 1543 S Withdrawn
5 75 § 1543 S Driving Under Suspension
CP-48-CR-0003037-2000
Arrest Dt: 09/08/2000
Proc Status: Migrated Case DC No: OTN:H1942430
Disp Date: 10/27/2000 Disp Judge: Migrated, Judge
Def Atty: Asteak, Gary Neil - (PR)
Seq No Statute Grade Description Disposition
Sentence Dt. Sentence Type Program Period Sentence Length
Poss W/I To Deliver/delivery Of
Contrld Substance
1 35 § 780-113 F Withdrawn
2 35 § 780-113 M Possession Of Controlled Substance Guilty Plea
10/27/2000 Confinement Max: 6 Month(s)
3 18 § 5505 S Public Drunkenness Guilty Plea
CP-48-CR-0002394-2002
Arrest Dt: 08/01/2002
Proc Status: Migrated Case DC No: OTN:H5648506
Disp Date: 09/20/2002 Disp Judge: Migrated, Judge
Def Atty: Karam, Alexander J. Jr. - (PR)
Seq No Statute Grade Description Disposition
Sentence Dt. Sentence Type Program Period Sentence Length
1 18 § 2701 M2 Simple Assault Withdrawn
2 18 § 2706 M1 Terroristic Threats Withdrawn
3 18 § 3304 M3 Criminal Mischief Quashed, Dismissed,
Demurrer Sustained
4 18 § 2903 M2 False Imprisonment Withdrawn
5 18 § 2709 S Harassment And Stalking Withdrawn
6 18 § 2706 M1 Terroristic Threats Guilty Plea
09/20/2002 Confinement Min: 15 Month(s) Max: 36 Month(s)
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which can only be provided by the Pennsylvania State Police. Moreover
an employer who does not comply with the provisions of the Criminal
History
Record Information Act may be subject to civil liability as set forth
in 18 Pa.C.S. Section 9183.
Please note that if the offense disposition information is blank, this
only means that there is not a “final disposition” recorded in the
Common Pleas
Criminal Court Case Management System for this offense. In such an
instance, you must view the public web docket sheet of the case
wherein the
offense is charged in order to determine what the most up-to-date
disposition information is for the offense.
Northampton County Court of Common Pleas
Court Summary
Hanson, Gregory Christian (Continued)
Closed (Continued)
Northampton (Continued)
Seq No Statute Grade Description Disposition
Sentence Dt. Sentence Type Program Period Sentence Length
7 18 § 2709 S Harassment Withdrawn
CP-48-CR-0004003-2005
Arrest Dt:
Proc Status: Completed DC No: OTN:K1080516
Disp Date: 06/02/2006 Disp Judge: Roscioli, Paula A.
Def Atty: Scomillio, Victor Emmanuel - (PR)
Seq No Statute Grade Description Disposition
Sentence Dt. Sentence Type Program Period Sentence Length
1 18 § 2702 F1 Aggravated Assault Withdrawn
2 18 § 3502 F1 Burglary Withdrawn
3 18 § 2702 F2 Aggravated Assault Withdrawn
4 18 § 3503 F3 Crim Tres-Enter Structure Withdrawn
Terroristic Threats W/ Int To Terrorize
Another
5 18 § 2706 M1 Withdrawn
Stalking - Repeatedly Commit Acts
To Cause Fear
6 18 § 2709.1 M1 Withdrawn
7 18 § 2701 M2 Simple Assault Withdrawn
8 18 § 3503 M3 Def Tres Actual Communication To Guilty Plea
Harassment - Subject Other to
Physical Contact
9 18 § 2709 S Withdrawn
Recklessly Endangering Another
Person
10 18 § 2705 M2 Withdrawn
Recklessly Endangering Another
Person
11 18 § 2705 M2 Withdrawn
12 18 § 2701 M2 Simple Assault Withdrawn
Harassment - Subject Other to
Physical Contact
13 18 § 2709 S Withdrawn
14 18 § 2702 F2 Aggravated Assault Withdrawn
Terroristic Threats W/ Int To Terrorize
Another
15 18 § 2706 M1 Withdrawn
CP-48-MD-0000095-1999
Arrest Dt: 02/15/2000
Proc Status: Migrated Case DC No: OTN:
Disp Date: Disp Judge:
Seq No Statute Grade Description Disposition
§
CP-48-MD-0000066-2008
Arrest Dt: 01/18/2008
Proc Status: Completed DC No: OTN:L3948066
Disp Date: Disp Judge:
Seq No Statute Grade Description Disposition
DUI: Gen Imp/Inc of Driving Safely -
1st Off
1 75 § 3802 M
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background check
which can only be provided by the Pennsylvania State Police. Moreover
an employer who does not comply with the provisions of the Criminal
History
Record Information Act may be subject to civil liability as set forth
in 18 Pa.C.S. Section 9183.
Please note that if the offense disposition information is blank, this
only means that there is not a “final disposition” recorded in the
Common Pleas
Criminal Court Case Management System for this offense. In such an
instance, you must view the public web docket sheet of the case
wherein the
offense is charged in order to determine what the most up-to-date
disposition information is for the offense.
Northampton County Court of Common Pleas
Court Summary
Hanson, Gregory Christian (Continued)
Closed (Continued)
Northampton (Continued)
Seq No Statute Grade Description Disposition
2 75 § 3733 Fleeing or Attempting to Elude Officer
3 75 § 3714 S Careless Driving
4 75 § 3112 S Failure To Stop At Red Signal
5 75 § 3112 S Failure To Stop At Red Signal
6 75 § 3323 S Duties At Stop Sign
7 75 § 3323 S Duties At Stop Sign
8 75 § 3323 S Duties At Stop Sign
9 75 § 3323 S Duties At Stop Sign
10 75 § 3323 S Duties At Stop Sign
11 75 § 3361 S Driving at Safe Speed
Crim Misch/Dmg Prop Intent,
Reckless, Or Neglig
12 18 § 3304
Archived
CP-48-CR-0000159-1997 Comm. v. Hanson, Gregory
CP-48-CR-0000876-1997 Comm. v. Hanson, Gregory
CP-48-MD-0000105-1999 In Re: Hanson, Gregory
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delayed
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information should not be used in place of a criminal history
background check
which can only be provided by the Pennsylvania State Police. Moreover
an employer who does not comply with the provisions of the Criminal
History
Record Information Act may be subject to civil liability as set forth
in 18 Pa.C.S. Section 9183.
Please note that if the offense disposition information is blank, this
only means that there is not a “final disposition” recorded in the
Common Pleas
Criminal Court Case Management System for this offense. In such an
instance, you must view the public web docket sheet of the case
wherein the
offense is charged in order to determine what the most up-to-date
disposition information is for the offense.

---------------
DEFENDANT INFORMATION
Date Of Birth: 10/17/1975 City/State/Zip: Easton, PA 18042

My middle name and birthday are different and
have been posted MANY times in the newsgroups.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------­------------

Why did Dave try this deliberate deception?

HERE'S WHY!

http://www.thetimesonline.com/articles/2007/06/10/news/porter_county/docc35ea9cd21c834f1862572f4007bfc11.txt

Sunday, June 10, 2007
ARRESTS
Monday through Friday [ June 4 to June 8 ]
Battery David Moore, 36, Calumet City

David Daniel Moore court records: David D. Moore
DOB 9/26/70 850 Buffalo Avenue, Calumet City, IL
case 64D 060706FD 4989 Monday June 4th 2007
Class D Felony, Assault on somebody under 14 years old
pretrial February 8th 8:30 hearing on March 12th 1PM
The North Porter County complex is in Portage, Indiana
219 759 8219 no e-records, won't fax or e-mail records
paid $2000 bond, Attorney Robert Harper Portage, Indiana
does not have a probation officer pre-trial

BOLINGBROOK, IL
TWENTYNINE PALMS, CA (Marine Base)
LOS ANGELES, CA
CALUMET CITY, IL (850 Buffalo Ave)
ARLINGTON HEIGHTS, IL

[ LINK below updated or upgraded ]

http://www.cookcountyassessor.com/data/searchflat/ParcelImage.asp?pin=30182330330000

[Kent Wills]

On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 11:07:21 -0700 (PDT), Greegor <***@gmail.com>
wrote:

[snips for brevity and of items for which I have no comment]

DDM > Nope, you didn't. =A0Like Ken, however,
DDM > you simply ignore the facts which
DDM > don't fit the lie you're trying to tell.
G > Got a LINK to that?
DDM > Sure do....
DDM > Here's a post Ken made over nine
How would that prove that you are not
the guy named on the criminal charge 2 years ago?

Different ages, stupid.

Your theory is that since your opponent once
had wrong information on you, that when they
get more accurate information you can
disprove that correct information using the
previous wrong information.

If it were wrong, why didn't Pangborn ever state so? He's never
claimed the information was in error.

Wishful thinking.
Kent tries that too.
http://groups.google.com/group/fl.general/msg/6033ae6a3c6f6656

Your link has nothing to do with me.
If you're going to make a claim about someone and offer a link,
the link should connect to the claim in some way.

DDM > Here's another from 2002, from the "Judgedredd"
So it's not even Ken, and it proves what exactly?

It was Ken. That was proved long ago.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.privacy.anon-server/msg/02361330b5...

Post by freedom
If I was

Failure to prove.

Why do you lie?

Post by freedom
almost 40 years old in 2000, it's impossible that I could be the
36-year old man who was mentioned as being falsely accused in 2007. =A0Ha=

ve

Post by freedom
trouble with basic math, do you? =A0Why am I not surprised?

If only you hadn't pissed off your other victims.

What victims? Please be specific.

Which in your mind disproves current and accurate info?

If that were the case, Pangborn would have made mention of it.
I've never seen him claim his previous claims, which were proved by
David's family, according to Ken, were in any way wrong.
Either Pangborn lies (most plausible), or he honestly believes
David's middle name is Dennis AND Daniel at the same time (possible,
but not as plausible).

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.true-crime/msg/4d690297d8544a04
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.romance/msg/6d0a3e67b82b37a8
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.radio.talk.dr-laura/msg/d1c4c7897519b589=
=3D
What exactly does this post you linked to prove?
DDM > As you and Ken have both claimed (well,
DDM > he has claimed, you have mindlessly
DDM > repeated) that the person falsely charged
DDM > had a different middle name, this is
A LIE. The clerk confirmed your middle name
and address. You forgot that I called the clerk, Dave.

Why do you lie?
The clerk confirmed the middle name and address of the David
Moore who was charged.
His middle name and address have never been a point of
contention.

DDM > further evidence that I'm not the person in question.
G > Was that like the ""anonymous"" person who
G > supposedly said they went to your address
G > and it was a 30 something black woman?
DDM > Nobody, anonymous or otherwise, said
DDM > anything about having gone to my
DDM > address. =A0The person making the
DDM > statement about the black woman
DDM > was [ SUPPOSEDLY ] in the Chicago
DDM > area....a full days' travel from my address.
What was their name, David?
Got an IP address for them?
Phone number?
You use these fakes and sock Identities like that WAY too often.

You've confused David and Ken.

Not to mention that their assertion
was proveably false on the internet.

Please prove the woman who lived (maybe lives) there isn't a
black woman in her late 30's. If your claim is true, you'll be able.

http://www.public-records-now.com/Search/SearchResults.aspx?vw=3Dpeople&inp=
ut=3Dname&fn=3DJanet&mn=3DM&ln=3DMoore&city=3DCalumet%20City&state=3DIL
http://www.whitepages.com/search/ReverseAddress?street=3D850+buffalo+ave&wh=
ere=3DCalumet+City%2C+IL
DDM > Which has nothing to do with me.
DD214.

Post it or E-mail the scan to me. Unless, of course, you lied in
the past when you claimed you were sent a copy.

DDM > That's the best you've got? =3DA0At least Ken makes
DDM > up NEW lies rather than just copying and
DDM > pasting the old ones. =3DA0No wonder he considers
DDM > you a below average schmuck.
G > Next you'll complain that I run a hate site and spam it
G > on a big sig at the bottom of every post.
DDM > You lack the knowledge to create a web site.
Dave, I have forgotten more programming languages
than you will ever learn.

Yet the most basic of computing principles escape you.

Why are you pretending that
it takes skill to set up a web page?
I know of a guy who is actually mentally retarded
who has set up web pages.

When did you set up these phantom pages, Greg?

Title: ST VS GREGORY HANSON
(DOB 05/22/1959)
CRIMINAL COMPLAINT 04/10/1996
Comments: CT 1 OWI 1ST
OTHER CITATION 04/10/1996
Comments: CT 2 SPEED
Disposition Status
GUILTY PLEA/DEFAULT

"That's the chick, but not the pic, zipperhead!"
Greg Hanson proving his bigotry towards Asians, or proving he's so
stupid he thinks I'm Asian.
MID:<c6bac3f6-7a0e-4bf8-8ddd-***@p49g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.legal/msg/395db830731df54a
http://www.rsdb.org/search?q=zipperhead

Me: "I suspect your stalking is due to the use and abuse of illegal
drugs, Greg. Is the reason for your stalking the members of
alt.friends due to the use and abuse of illegal drugs?

Gregory Scott Hanson, wife beater and child abuser: "Of course."


"My family's case is for Neglect, but we are treated
in virtually every regard as child abusers, marked on
the Child Abuse registry, for example."
-- Greg Scott Hanson telling Usenet he's a FOUNDED child abuser.
Message-ID: <***@posting.google.com>

" ... But there ought to be conferences and studies on how to curb
minority overpopulation, repatriate minorities abroad, imprison more
minorities, increase use of the death penalty and divest minorities of
the power they have usurped over us in recent years. That would
address the most pressing problems of our day. ... "
April 2000, Gregory Hanson
http://www.nationalist.org/ATW/2000/040101.html#Hanson

[Greegor]

DDM > Sure do....
DDM > Here's a post Ken made over nine
DDM > years ago, stating that I'm "nearing 40":

G > How would that prove that you are not
G > the guy named on the criminal charge 2 years ago?

KBW > Different ages, stupid.

Are you saying that the OLD information was proven?
Didn't Dave deny it?

Are you using information which Dave denied
to disprove other, more recent information
which happens to be accurate?

Just wondering.

Did you think that was a good strategy, Kent?

Then again, you ARE Kent Bradley Wills.
You actually think you're ""HELPING"" Dave!






G > Your theory is that since your opponent once
G > had wrong information on you, that when they
G > get more accurate information you can
G > disprove that correct information using the
G > previous wrong information.

KBW > If it were wrong, why didn't Pangborn
KBW > ever state so?  He's never
KBW > claimed the information was in error.

G > Wishful thinking.
G > Kent tries that too.

http://groups.google.com/group/fl.general/msg/6033ae6a3c6f6656

KBW > Your link has nothing to do with me.
KBW > If you're going to make a claim about
KBW > someone and offer a link, the link
KBW > should connect to the claim in some way.


DDM > Here's another from 2002, from the "Judgedredd"
DDM > account which he insists wasn't his:

G > So it's not even Ken, and it proves what exactly?

KBW > It was Ken.  That was proved long ago.

Wishful thinking. Typical Kent Wills.


http://groups.google.com/group/alt.privacy.anon-server/msg/02361330b5

DDM > If I was

G >Failure to prove.

KBW > Why do you lie?

Classical Kent Bradley Wills tactic.

Post by freedom
almost 40 years old in 2000, it's impossible that I could be the
36-year old man who was mentioned as being falsely accused in 2007. =A0Ha=

ve

Post by freedom
trouble with basic math, do you? Why am I not surprised?

G > If only you hadn't pissed off your other victims.

KBW > What victims?  Please be specific.

DDM > Here's a post where Ken states that my middle name is "Dennis":

G > Which in your mind disproves current and accurate info?

KBW> If that were the case, Pangborn would have made mention of it.

Wishful thinking.

KBW > I've never seen him claim his previous claims,
KBW > which were proved by David's family, according
KBW > to Ken, were in any way wrong.

KBW > Either Pangborn lies (most plausible), or
KBW > he honestly believes David's middle name
KBW > is Dennis AND Daniel at the same time
KBW > (possible, but not as plausible).

Still pretending that there are only two logical
conclusions and both suit your purposes Kent?

Classical pathology, Kent.


Which in your mind disproves current and accurate info?

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.true-crime/msg/4d690297d8544a04

DDM > Here's another:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.romance/msg/6d0a3e67b82b37a8

DDM > Here's another:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.radio.talk.dr-laura/msg/d1c4c7897519b589=

G > What exactly does this post you linked to prove?

DDM > As you and Ken have both claimed (well,
DDM > he has claimed, you have mindlessly
DDM > repeated) that the person falsely charged
DDM > had a different middle name, this is

G > A LIE.  The clerk confirmed your middle name
G > and address.  You forgot that I called the clerk, Dave.

KBW > Why do you lie?
KBW > The clerk confirmed the middle name and
KBW > address of the David Moore who was charged.
KBW > His middle name and address have never
KBW > been a point of contention.

And yet you didn't state it.

DDM > further evidence that I'm not the person in question.

G > Was that like the ""anonymous"" person who
G > supposedly said they went to your address
G > and it was a 30 something black woman?

DDM > Nobody, anonymous or otherwise, said
DDM > anything about having gone to my
DDM > address. =A0The person making the
DDM > statement about the black woman
DDM > was [ SUPPOSEDLY ] in the Chicago
DDM > area....a full days' travel from my address.

G > What was their name, David?
G > Got an IP address for them?
G > Phone number?
G >
G > You use these fakes and sock Identities like that WAY too often.

KBW > You've confused David and Ken.

You are Kent Bradley Wills.

G > Not to mention that their assertion
G > was proveably false on the internet.

KBW > Please prove the woman who lived
KBW > (maybe lives) there isn't a black
KBW > woman in her late 30's.  If your
KBW > claim is true, you'll be able.

http://www.public-records-now.com/Search/SearchResults.aspx?vw=people&input=name&fn=Janet&mn=M&ln=Moore&city=Calumet%20City&state=IL

http://www.whitepages.com/search/ReverseAddress?street=850+buffalo+ave&where=Calumet+City%2C+IL

DDM > Which has nothing to do with me.

G > DD214.

KBW > Post it or E-mail the scan to me.  Unless,
KBW > of course, you lied in the past when you
KBW > claimed you were sent a copy.

You overestimate your importance.

DDM > That's the best you've got? At least Ken makes
DDM > up NEW lies rather than just copying and
DDM > pasting the old ones. No wonder he considers
DDM > you a below average schmuck.

G > Next you'll complain that I run a hate site and spam it
G > on a big sig at the bottom of every post.

DDM > You lack the knowledge to create a web site.

G > Dave, I have forgotten more programming languages
G > than you will ever learn.  

KBW > Yet the most basic of computing principles escape you.

Classical Kent Wills BS.

G > Why are you pretending that
G > it takes skill to set up a web page?
G >
G > I know of a guy who is actually mentally retarded
G > who has set up web pages.

KBW > When did you set up these phantom pages, Greg?

Ominous cryptic references just don't work for you, Kent.

Dave must be loving your ""HELP"" Kent!

[Kent Wills]

On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 12:48:08 -0700 (PDT), Greegor <***@gmail.com>
wrote:

[...]

Post by Greegor
DDM > Sure do....
DDM > Here's a post Ken made over nine
G > How would that prove that you are not
G > the guy named on the criminal charge 2 years ago?
KBW > Different ages, stupid.
Are you saying that the OLD information was proven?

That was Pangborn's claim at the time. Most every claim he's
made about David included Pangborn stating he had proof. Regarding
David's middle name, Pangborn claimed to have ABSOLUTE PROOF (emphasis
his) for both names.
Pangborn has offered two different ages.
Further, he claimed members of David's family gave him the proof
for all of the claims.

Post by Greegor
Didn't Dave deny it?

He did.
If you're ever able to get it right, he may confirm it. Of
course, he may not. Ultimately, that decision is David's to make.
I've not been granted access to his birth certificate, driver's
license, pass port, or any other document that would reveal his age.
As such, I wouldn't be able to confirm or deny any guess made.

Post by Greegor
Are you using information which Dave denied
to disprove other, more recent information
which happens to be accurate?

Except that it's not, as I PROVED well over a year ago.

Post by Greegor
Just wondering.

No, you're just trying to present the same lie, claiming it's
accurate.
You may LIE as often as you need and want. The truth will remain
the truth. Deal with it.

Post by Greegor
Did you think that was a good strategy, Kent?

I often find truth to be a good strategy. That you do not is
expected.

Post by Greegor
Then again, you ARE Kent Bradley Wills.

If you wish.

Post by Greegor
You actually think you're ""HELPING"" Dave!

He doesn't need my help. He was exposing Pangborn's lies, and
your parroting of those lies, long before either of us were aware the
other existed.
If I am helping him, great. I'm sure he doesn't mind, though
only David can say with certainty.
If I only succeed in proving you the drug addled liar you are,
I've met my goal.

Post by Greegor
G > Your theory is that since your opponent once
G > had wrong information on you, that when they
G > get more accurate information you can
G > disprove that correct information using the
G > previous wrong information.
KBW > If it were wrong, why didn't Pangborn
KBW > ever state so?  He's never
KBW > claimed the information was in error.
G > Wishful thinking.
G > Kent tries that too.
http://groups.google.com/group/fl.general/msg/6033ae6a3c6f6656
KBW > Your link has nothing to do with me.
KBW > If you're going to make a claim about
KBW > someone and offer a link, the link
KBW > should connect to the claim in some way.
DDM > Here's another from 2002, from the "Judgedredd"
G > So it's not even Ken, and it proves what exactly?
KBW > It was Ken.  That was proved long ago.
Wishful thinking. Typical Kent Wills.

I typically use the truth.
You should try it.

Post by Greegor
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.privacy.anon-server/msg/02361330b5
DDM > If I was
G >Failure to prove.
KBW > Why do you lie?
Classical Kent Bradley Wills tactic.

When I wonder something, I tend to ask questions. In this case,
I wonder what your motivation was and is to lie.
I note you haven't answered.
Will you do so now, or shall your motivation remain a mystery?

Post by Greegor

Post by freedom
almost 40 years old in 2000, it's impossible that I could be the
36-year old man who was mentioned as being falsely accused in 2007. =A0Ha=

ve

Post by freedom
trouble with basic math, do you? Why am I not surprised?

G > If only you hadn't pissed off your other victims.
KBW > What victims?  Please be specific.
G > Which in your mind disproves current and accurate info?
KBW> If that were the case, Pangborn would have made mention of it.
Wishful thinking.

I do wish Pangborn could be honest enough to admit any errors he
makes. Like you, I see such as wishful thinking.
Still, it's nice to imagine he could be honest, isn't it?

Post by Greegor
KBW > I've never seen him claim his previous claims,
KBW > which were proved by David's family, according
KBW > to Ken, were in any way wrong.
KBW > Either Pangborn lies (most plausible), or
KBW > he honestly believes David's middle name
KBW > is Dennis AND Daniel at the same time
KBW > (possible, but not as plausible).
Still pretending that there are only two logical
conclusions and both suit your purposes Kent?

Both claims can't be true. They are at odds with each other.
Further, Pangborn has claimed David's family gave him the ABSOLUTE
PROOF (emphasis Pangborn's) regarding David.
There is no way both claims can be true. Both can be lies. One
MUST be.

Post by Greegor
Classical pathology, Kent.

You are pathological. I don't think anyone has even attempted to
deny this obvious truth.

Post by Greegor
Which in your mind disproves current and accurate info?

Whereas I was able to PROVE the David Moore we know was and is
not the one who faced charges in Indiana, you've yet to offer any
current or accurate information.

Post by Greegor
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.true-crime/msg/4d690297d8544a04
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.romance/msg/6d0a3e67b82b37a8
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.radio.talk.dr-laura/msg/d1c4c7897519b589=
G > What exactly does this post you linked to prove?
DDM > As you and Ken have both claimed (well,
DDM > he has claimed, you have mindlessly
DDM > repeated) that the person falsely charged
DDM > had a different middle name, this is
G > A LIE.  The clerk confirmed your middle name
G > and address.  You forgot that I called the clerk, Dave.
KBW > Why do you lie?
KBW > The clerk confirmed the middle name and
KBW > address of the David Moore who was charged.
KBW > His middle name and address have never
KBW > been a point of contention.
And yet you didn't state it.

David Daniel Moore lives, or lived, in Calumet City, IL. This
has never been in dispute.
The problem for you is that he's not the David Moore we know. A
truth I already PROVED.

Post by Greegor
DDM > further evidence that I'm not the person in question.
G > Was that like the ""anonymous"" person who
G > supposedly said they went to your address
G > and it was a 30 something black woman?
DDM > Nobody, anonymous or otherwise, said
DDM > anything about having gone to my
DDM > address. =A0The person making the
DDM > statement about the black woman
DDM > was [ SUPPOSEDLY ] in the Chicago
DDM > area....a full days' travel from my address.
G > What was their name, David?
G > Got an IP address for them?
G > Phone number?
G >
G > You use these fakes and sock Identities like that WAY too often.
KBW > You've confused David and Ken.
You are Kent Bradley Wills.

Yet you stated I am not fairly recently when you referenced the
other Kent Wills' record.
Please pick a lane.
If you want to continue to present the LIE that my name in real
life is Kent Bradley Wills, fine. Your lie has caused me no harm to
date.
I do ask that you don't then claim you're wondering about the
other Kent Wills and his record. Doing so only allows me more
opportunity to prove you the mentally ill liar you are.
I would rather have some degree of challenge to proving it.

Post by Greegor
G > Not to mention that their assertion
G > was proveably false on the internet.
KBW > Please prove the woman who lived
KBW > (maybe lives) there isn't a black
KBW > woman in her late 30's.  If your
KBW > claim is true, you'll be able.
http://www.public-records-now.com/Search/SearchResults.aspx?vw=people&input=name&fn=Janet&mn=M&ln=Moore&city=Calumet%20City&state=IL
http://www.whitepages.com/search/ReverseAddress?street=850+buffalo+ave&where=Calumet+City%2C+IL

I accept that you couldn't prove your claim.
Since it was and is a lie, your failure was assured.

Post by Greegor
DDM > Which has nothing to do with me.
G > DD214.
KBW > Post it or E-mail the scan to me.  Unless,
KBW > of course, you lied in the past when you
KBW > claimed you were sent a copy.
You overestimate your importance.

So you lied. Got it.
I'll be certain to point out how you admitted you lied from time
to time.

Post by Greegor
DDM > That's the best you've got? At least Ken makes
DDM > up NEW lies rather than just copying and
DDM > pasting the old ones. No wonder he considers
DDM > you a below average schmuck.
G > Next you'll complain that I run a hate site and spam it
G > on a big sig at the bottom of every post.
DDM > You lack the knowledge to create a web site.
G > Dave, I have forgotten more programming languages
G > than you will ever learn.  
KBW > Yet the most basic of computing principles escape you.
Classical Kent Wills BS.

You've proved, time and time again, that you don't understand
computing. You clearly know more than Pangborn, but that isn't saying
much.
Heck, I was able, with less than five minutes worth of research,
to PROVE Pangborn's CV had been on the TCDLA web site for roughly four
years. Much longer than the two months you claimed the site showed.

Post by Greegor
G > Why are you pretending that
G > it takes skill to set up a web page?
G >
G > I know of a guy who is actually mentally retarded
G > who has set up web pages.
KBW > When did you set up these phantom pages, Greg?
Ominous cryptic references just don't work for you, Kent.

Failure to answer the question noted.

Post by Greegor
Dave must be loving your ""HELP"" Kent!

Again with the double quotes. You are aware that means nothing,
right?


Title: ST VS GREGORY HANSON
(DOB 05/22/1959)
CRIMINAL COMPLAINT 04/10/1996
Comments: CT 1 OWI 1ST
OTHER CITATION 04/10/1996
Comments: CT 2 SPEED
Disposition Status
GUILTY PLEA/DEFAULT

"That's the chick, but not the pic, zipperhead!"
Greg Hanson proving his bigotry towards Asians, or proving he's so
stupid he thinks I'm Asian.
MID:<c6bac3f6-7a0e-4bf8-8ddd-***@p49g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.legal/msg/395db830731df54a
http://www.rsdb.org/search?q=zipperhead

Me: "I suspect your stalking is due to the use and abuse of illegal
drugs, Greg. Is the reason for your stalking the members of
alt.friends due to the use and abuse of illegal drugs?

Gregory Scott Hanson, wife beater and child abuser: "Of course."


"My family's case is for Neglect, but we are treated
in virtually every regard as child abusers, marked on
the Child Abuse registry, for example."
-- Greg Scott Hanson telling Usenet he's a FOUNDED child abuser.
Message-ID: <***@posting.google.com>

" ... But there ought to be conferences and studies on how to curb
minority overpopulation, repatriate minorities abroad, imprison more
minorities, increase use of the death penalty and divest minorities of
the power they have usurped over us in recent years. That would
address the most pressing problems of our day. ... "
April 2000, Gregory Hanson
http://www.nationalist.org/ATW/2000/040101.html#Hanson

[Greegor]

G > Didn't Dave deny it?

KBW > He did.

So now you're saying that information
Dave himself denied now proves the correct
ID on Dave to be false?

Nice con. Obvious but nice try, Kent!

[Kent Wills]

Post by Greegor
G > Didn't Dave deny it?
KBW > He did.
So now you're saying that information
Dave himself denied now proves the correct
ID on Dave to be false?

At no point has anyone disputed that David Daniel Moore lived in
Calumet City at the time. He may still live there.
Your problem is that I was able to PROVE he's not the David Moore
we know.

Post by Greegor
Nice con. Obvious but nice try, Kent!

How do you see the truth as a con? Please explain.

Title: ST VS GREGORY HANSON
(DOB 05/22/1959)
CRIMINAL COMPLAINT 04/10/1996
Comments: CT 1 OWI 1ST
OTHER CITATION 04/10/1996
Comments: CT 2 SPEED
Disposition Status
GUILTY PLEA/DEFAULT

"That's the chick, but not the pic, zipperhead!"
Greg Hanson proving his bigotry towards Asians, or proving he's so
stupid he thinks I'm Asian.
MID:<c6bac3f6-7a0e-4bf8-8ddd-***@p49g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.legal/msg/395db830731df54a
http://www.rsdb.org/search?q=zipperhead

Me: "I suspect your stalking is due to the use and abuse of illegal
drugs, Greg. Is the reason for your stalking the members of
alt.friends due to the use and abuse of illegal drugs?

Gregory Scott Hanson, wife beater and child abuser: "Of course."


"My family's case is for Neglect, but we are treated
in virtually every regard as child abusers, marked on
the Child Abuse registry, for example."
-- Greg Scott Hanson telling Usenet he's a FOUNDED child abuser.
Message-ID: <***@posting.google.com>

" ... But there ought to be conferences and studies on how to curb
minority overpopulation, repatriate minorities abroad, imprison more
minorities, increase use of the death penalty and divest minorities of
the power they have usurped over us in recent years. That would
address the most pressing problems of our day. ... "
April 2000, Gregory Hanson
http://www.nationalist.org/ATW/2000/040101.html#Hanson

[Greegor]

KBW > At no point has anyone disputed that
KBW > David Daniel Moore lived in Calumet City
KBW > at the time. He may still live there.
KBW > Your problem is that I was able to PROVE
KBW > he's not the David Moore we know.

Let's see it!

[KRP]

Post by Greegor
KBW > At no point has anyone disputed that
KBW > David Daniel Moore lived in Calumet City
KBW > at the time. He may still live there.
KBW > Your problem is that I was able to PROVE
KBW > he's not the David Moore we know.
Let's see it!

Knut believes that howling and beating his chest is "PROOF!"

[womanGoddess]

Post by Greegor
KBW > At no point has anyone disputed that
KBW > David Daniel Moore lived in Calumet City
KBW > at the time.  He may still live there.
KBW > Your problem is that I was able to PROVE
KBW > he's not the David Moore we know.
Let's see it!

First let's see your photo showing David Moore in a Nazi outfit.

Moe
Eternal FOREVER KNIGHT fan
" A vampire cop? REALLY?"
"http://home.earthlink.net/~19ranger57/blies.htm

Know your scum--- http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com

[Greegor]

KBW > At no point has anyone disputed that
KBW > David Daniel Moore lived in Calumet City
KBW > at the time.  He may still live there.
KBW > Your problem is that I was able to PROVE
KBW > he's not the David Moore we know.

G > Let's see it!

Moe > First let's see your photo showing David Moore in a Nazi outfit.

You frequently attempt to change the subject
just to avoid meeting your burden of proof.

David Moore's photograph was NOT at issue here.

WHY would it be?
Are you and Kent afraid to find out what the photo reveals?

Why would I want to save you the embarassment that entails?

I would much rather that you continue to gamble
whatever false sense of reputation you maintain.

Put yourself in my shoes for a minute.

Can't you understand just how delicious it is
knowing that an opponent actually wore that
infamous brown shirt, and that his strongest
allies in his deceptions claim to be VIOLENTLY
opposed to what that infamous shirt represents?

If you cannot confirm what the photo represents
WHY is it to MY advantage to rescue you?

In the IMMEDIATE DISCUSSION, Kent (above)
claimed that he PROVED the ID of David wrong.

When asked to pony up this proof, you and
your associate throw out lots of chaff and
clearly show bad faith in the original statement
by failing to provide the claimed proof.

Kent certainly has a conflict of interest
on that point, considering his OWN identity issues.

[Greegor]

KBW > At no point has anyone disputed that
KBW > David Daniel Moore lived in Calumet City
KBW > at the time. He may still live there.
KBW > Your problem is that I was able to PROVE
KBW > he's not the David Moore we know.

G > Let's see it!

Kent, Where is this PROOF you referred to?

[krp]

So tell me which dickless wonder who ONLY uses anonymous remailers has been
TRYING to impersonate me in my b rief absence?

[womanGoddess]

Post by krp
So tell me which dickless wonder who ONLY uses anonymous remailers has been
TRYING to impersonate me in my b rief absence?

"dickless"?

Gee Kennie, why are you so focused on penises?

Did yours fall off or shrink?

Moe
Eternal FOREVER KNIGHT fan
" A vampire cop? REALLY?"
"http://home.earthlink.net/~19ranger57/blies.htm

Know your scum--- http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com

[Greegor]

DDM > Sure do....
DDM > Here's a post Ken made over nine
DDM > years ago, stating that I'm "nearing 40":

G > How would that prove that you are not
G > the guy named on the criminal charge 2 years ago?

KBW > Different ages, stupid.

G >Are you saying that the OLD information was proven?

KBW > That was Pangborn's claim at the time.
KBW > Most every claim he's made about
KBW > David included Pangborn stating he had
KBW > proof. Regarding David's middle name,
KBW > Pangborn claimed to have ABSOLUTE
KBW > PROOF (emphasis his) for both names.
KBW > Pangborn has offered two different ages.
KBW > Further, he claimed members of David's
KBW > family gave him the proof for all of the claims.

G > Didn't Dave deny it?

KBW > He did.
KBW > If you're ever able to get it right, he may confirm it.

Sure because devious SOB's like you who
lie constantly have the illusion of honesty
to maintain, right Kent?

You might do better selling the Brooklyn bridge.

Old information disproves new and accurate information HOW?


KBW > Of course, he may not. [ confirm it ]

Of course.

KBW > Ultimately, that decision is David's to make.
KBW > I've not been granted access to his birth
KBW > certificate, driver's license, pass port, or
KBW > any other document that would reveal his
KBW > age. As such, I wouldn't be able to
KBW > confirm or deny any guess made.

G > Are you using information which Dave
G > denied to disprove other, more recent
G > information which happens to be accurate?

KBW > Except that it's not, as I PROVED well over a year ago.

That's a tacit YES with your usual BS attached, Kent.

G > Just wondering.

KBW > No, you're just trying to present the same lie, claiming it's
KBW > accurate. You may LIE as often as you need and want.
KBW > The truth will remain the truth. Deal with it.

Dave and you tried to use OLD information you DENIED
to disprove more recent and accurate information.

It's kinda like arguing that a burglary of an attached
garage is somehow not a burglary, right Kent?

A person as bizarre as you certainly does
evoke a lot of wonder.

Your circular arguments, ""speechifying"" and
pathetically LAME arguments online basically
match up with your garage burglary appeal, Kent.

G > Did you think that was a good strategy, Kent?

KBW > I often find truth to be a good strategy.
KBW > That you do not is expected.

Like when you try to discredit
recent accurate information by
citing old and faulty information
that you or your buddy DENIED.
Your argument is that new information
is wrong because somebody else once
posted some wrong information.

Typical Kent Bradley Wills Reverse Polish Notation.

G > Then again, you ARE Kent Bradley Wills.

KBW > If you wish.

You PROVE it with your argument style.

The stupidity of the garage burglary appeal
matches the argument style you use online.

G > You actually think you're ""HELPING"" Dave!

[...]

KBW > Either Pangborn lies (most plausible), or
KBW > he honestly believes David's middle name
KBW > is Dennis AND Daniel at the same time
KBW > (possible, but not as plausible).

G > Still pretending that there are only two logical
G > conclusions and both suit your purposes Kent?

KBW > Both claims can't be true. They are at
KBW > odds with each other. Further, Pangborn
KBW > has claimed David's family gave him
KBW > the ABSOLUTE PROOF (emphasis
KBW > Pangborn's) regarding David.
KBW > There is no way both claims can be
KBW > true. Both can be lies. One MUST be.

You can't think of any other possibilities?

Like maybe Ken once honestly THOUGHT
that David's middle name was Dennis, and
later obtained accurate information.

Can't you think of a few more logical
possibilities, Kent?

When you asserted there were only TWO
possibilities, both to your advantage,
you flat out LIED.

This type of pathological logic where you
pretend that there are ONLY TWO logical
possibilities and both suit your purposes
is common among cult leaders, ex-cons
and con artists.

[...]


http://groups.google.com/group/alt.radio.talk.dr-laura/msg/d1c4c7897519b589=

G > What exactly does this post you linked to prove?

Dave?

DDM > As you and Ken have both claimed (well,
DDM > he has claimed, you have mindlessly
DDM > repeated) that the person falsely charged
DDM > had a different middle name, this is

G > A LIE. The clerk confirmed your middle name
G > and address. You forgot that I called the clerk, Dave.

KBW > Why do you lie?
KBW > The clerk confirmed the middle name and
KBW > address of the David Moore who was charged.
KBW > His middle name and address have never
KBW > been a point of contention.

G > And yet you didn't state it.

KBW > David Daniel Moore lives, or lived, in
KBW > Calumet City, IL. This has never
KBW > been in dispute. The problem for
KBW > you is that he's not the David Moore
KBW > we know. A truth I already PROVED.

Using brain farts?

[...]

G > You are Kent Bradley Wills.

KBW > Yet you stated I am not fairly
KBW > recently when you referenced
KBW > the other Kent Wills' record.

STATED would definately not be the right word.
I referred to ""the other Kent Wills"" with double
quotes, which in English denotes a sarcastic
and hypothetical meaning.

It was dishonest of you to leave out
the double double quotes the LAST
time you tried this BS, and it's dishonest
of you to leave off the double double quotes
this time as well.

You are Kent Bradley Wills.

[...]

KBW > I do ask that you don't then claim
KBW > you're wondering about the
KBW > other Kent Wills and his record.

It's a rhetorical and sarcastic presentation
of logical arguments. Savvy?

G > Not to mention that their assertion
G > was proveably false on the internet.

KBW > Please prove the woman who lived
KBW > (maybe lives) there isn't a black
KBW > woman in her late 30's. If your
KBW > claim is true, you'll be able.

http://www.public-records-now.com/Search/SearchResults.aspx?vw=people&input=name&fn=Janet&mn=M&ln=Moore&city=Calumet%20City&state=IL

http://www.whitepages.com/search/ReverseAddress?street=850+buffalo+ave&where=Calumet+City%2C+IL

KBW > I accept that you couldn't prove your claim.
KBW > Since it was and is a lie, your failure was assured.

When proven dead wrong, you flat out deny it.
You ARE Kent Bradley Wills.



DDM > Which has nothing to do with me.

G > DD214.

KBW > Post it or E-mail the scan to me. Unless,
KBW > of course, you lied in the past when you
KBW > claimed you were sent a copy.

G > You overestimate your importance.

KBW > So you lied. Got it.
KBW > I'll be certain to point out how you
KBW > admitted you lied from time to time.

Thanks for announcing your dishonesty.
That was part of the issue, actually.
Giving proof to a dishonest SOB like you does no good.

DDM > That's the best you've got? At least Ken makes
DDM > up NEW lies rather than just copying and
DDM > pasting the old ones. No wonder he considers
DDM > you a below average schmuck.

G > Next you'll complain that I run a hate site and spam it
G > on a big sig at the bottom of every post.

DDM > You lack the knowledge to create a web site.

G > Dave, I have forgotten more programming languages
G > than you will ever learn.

KBW > Yet the most basic of computing principles escape you.

G > Classical Kent Wills BS.

[...]

KBW > Heck, I was able, with less than five
KBW > minutes worth of research, to PROVE
KBW > Pangborn's CV had been on the TCDLA
KBW > web site for roughly four years. Much
KBW > longer than the two months you
KBW > claimed the site showed.

When you call up stuff from the archives, pay closer
attention to the DATE in the URL for the sub pages.
Your claim that it was there for FOUR YEARS is
disproven by looking at the dates shown in the
URL (link) line. It's a quirk of the internet archive.
I pointed this out to you already.
Which makes this recycling by you a LIE.

G > Why are you pretending that
G > it takes skill to set up a web page?
G >
G > I know of a guy who is actually mentally retarded
G > who has set up web pages.

KBW > When did you set up these phantom pages, Greg?

G > Ominous cryptic references just don't work for you, Kent.

KBW > Failure to answer the question noted.

Which pages are you asking about, Kent? Got a LINK?
Is this like the secret pages Dan accused Ken of?

G > Dave must be loving your ""HELP"" Kent!

KBW > Again with the double quotes.
KBW > You are aware that means nothing, right?

In English it does, Kent. Ask your ESL teacher.
Double double quotes means sarcasm and hypothetical.




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David Daniel Moore DOB 9/26/70

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=850+Buffalo+Avenue,+Calumet+City,+Illinois&um=1&ie=UTF-8&split=0&gl=us&ei=892_SafUOI-mM6KZ9J8N&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&resnum=1&ct=title

If the STREET VIEW button doesn't show up, click
on the address in bold blue on the left, then
click on STREET VIEW to see Davey's bunker!

Parcel details

http://198.173.15.21/ccao/ParcelDetails.asp?PIN=30182330330000

Map

http://198.173.15.21/ccao/MapIndex.asp?action=parcel&PIN=30182330330000

Photo

Loading Image...

http://www.cookcountyassessor.com/data/searchflat/ParcelImage.asp?pin=30182330330000

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=850+Buffalo+Avenue,+Calumet+City,+Illinois&um=1&ie=UTF-8&split=0&gl=us&ei=892_SafUOI-mM6KZ9J8N&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&resnum=1&ct=title

http://www.public-records-now.com/Search/SearchResults.aspx?vw=people&input=name&fn=Janet&mn=M&ln=Moore&city=Calumet%20City&state=IL

http://www.public-records-now.com/Search/SearchResults.aspx?vw=people&input=name&fn=David&mn=D&ln=Moore&city=Calumet%20City&state=IL

http://www.whitepages.com/search/ReverseAddress?street=850+buffalo+ave&where=Calumet+City%2C+IL




http://198.173.15.21/ccao/ParcelDetails.asp?PIN=30182330330000

Cook County Assessor's Office: Property Search Details
Property Index Number: 30-18-233-033-0000
View Property Picture
View Property Map
Address : 850 Buffalo Ave
City : Calumet City
Township : Thornton
Neighborhood : 61
Taxcode : 37030
Assessed Valuation
2008
First Pass Assessment 2007
Board of Review Certified
Land Assessed Value 3,025
2,521
Building Assessed Value 16,434
14,957
Total Assessed Value 19,459
17,478
Estimated Market Value 121,619
109,238
Property Characteristics
Class: 2-11
Description : Two to Six Apartments, Over 62 Years
Residence Type Two Story
Use Multi Family
Apartments Two
Exterior Construction Masonry
Full Baths 2
Half Baths 0
Basement1 Partial and Rec Room
Attic None
Central Air No
Number of Fireplaces 1
Garage Size/Type2 2.5 car detached
Building Square Footage: 1,752
Land Square Footage 6,304
Assessment Pass First Pass
Age: 27
Land Square Footage: 6,304
1 Excluded from Building Square footage, except apartment
2 Excluded from Building Square footage


http://www.thetimesonline.com/articles/2007/06/10/news/porter_county/docc35ea9cd21c834f1862572f4007bfc11.txt

Sunday, June 10, 2007
ARRESTS
Monday through Friday [ June 4 to June 8 ]
Battery David Moore, 36, Calumet City

David Daniel Moore court records: David D. Moore
DOB 9/26/70 850 Buffalo Avenue, Calumet City, IL
case 64D 060706FD 4989 Monday June 4th 2007
Class D Felony, Assault on somebody under 14 years old
pretrial February 8th 8:30 hearing on March 12th 1PM
The North Porter County complex is in Portage, Indiana
219 759 8219 no e-records, won't fax or e-mail records
paid $2000 bond, Attorney Robert Harper Portage, Indiana
does not have a probation officer pre-trial

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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/51dcda5be649629b

On Jan 30, 4:08 am, freedom <aboutKRP...> wrote:
G > Dave tried to say this was me.

DDM > No, I didn't. <snip>
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http://www.courts.state.pa.us/OpPosting/Superior/out/a24025_04.pdf

http://ujsportal.pacourts.us/WebDocketSheets/OtherCriteria.aspx?mode=cp

http://ujsportal.pacourts.us
Public Calendar schedule
E-Services (button)
Public Web Docket Sheets (dropdown menu)
Court of Common Pleas (dropdown button CLICK)

Common Pleas Docket sheet page

Search type: CP/MP Docket Number
Docket number (fill in these blanks) CP-48-CR-0002394-2002

CLICK the search button.

further down the page this appears:

CP-48-CR-0002394-2002 Comm. v. Hanson, Gregory 8/1/2002 12:00:00 AM
Northampton Hanson, Gregory Christian Closed H5648506 10/17/1975

If you look closely at the left end of that there is a graphic box.
Put your mouse over it and a drop down menu appears offering
Docket Sheet or
Court Summary
Select Docket Sheet


http://ujsportal.pacourts.us/docketsheets/CPReport.aspx?matterID=61271779

COURT OF COMMON PLEAS OF NORTHAMPTON COUNTY
DOCKET
Docket Number: CP-48-CR-0002394-2002
Court Case
CRIMINAL DOCKET
Page 1 of 17
Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
v.
Gregory Christian Hanson
CASE INFORMATION
Judge Assigned: Moran, William F. Date Filed: 08/01/2002 Initiation
Date: 08/01/2002
OTN: H5648506 Lower Court Docket No: CR-0000212-02
Initial Issuing Authority: Ralph W Litzenberger Final Issuing
Authority: Ralph W Litzenberger
Arresting Agency: Forks Twp Police Dept Arresting Officer: Affiant
Case Local Number Type(s) Case Local Number(s)
Legacy Docket Number C-48-CR-2002-2394

[ Snipped for brevity. ]

http://ujsportal.pacourts.us/docketsheets/CourtSummaryReport.aspx?matterID=61271779

Northampton County Court of Common Pleas
Court Summary
Hanson, Gregory Christian
Frackville, PA 179312699
Aliases:
Hanson, Gregory
Hanson, Gregory C.
DOB:10/17/1975
Race:Caucasian
Hair:
Eyes:
Sex:Male
Closed
Northampton
CP-48-CR-0001279-1999
Arrest Dt: 05/03/1999

[ Snipped for brevity. ]


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[Kent Wills]

On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 17:53:58 +0200, freedom

Post by freedom

http://www.thetimesonline.com/articles/2007/06/10/news/porter_county/docc3=
5ea9cd21c834f1862572f4007bfc11.txt
Sunday, June 10, 2007
ARRESTS
Monday through Friday [ June 4 to June 8 ]
Battery David Moore, 36, Calumet City
DDM > Wow. =A0A false accusation which was dismissed a year and a half
ago,
DDM > and which was proven to be a different David Moore two years
ago.
I guess I MISSED that proof you refer to.

Nope, you didn't. Like Ken, however, you simply ignore the facts which
don't fit the lie you're trying to tell.

Got a LINK to that?

Sure do....
http://groups.google.com/group/fl.general/msg/6033ae6a3c6f6656

Had Pangborn been in error, he would have stated so. Since he's
never even TRIED to claim the information was less than accurate, it's
clear he was lying or far more mentally ill than anyone dared to
imagine.

Post by freedom
Here's another from 2002, from the "Judgedredd" account which he insists
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.privacy.anon-server/msg/02361330b5811487=
If I was almost 40 years old in 2000, it's impossible that I could be the
36-year old man who was mentioned as being falsely accused in 2007. Have
trouble with basic math, do you? Why am I not surprised?

Greg likely does have trouble with math. He's not very smart.

Post by freedom
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.true-crime/msg/4d690297d8544a04
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.romance/msg/6d0a3e67b82b37a8
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.radio.talk.dr-laura/msg/d1c4c7897519b589=
As you and Ken have both claimed (well, he has claimed, you have mindlessly=
repeated) that the person falsely charged had a different middle name, this=
is further evidence that I'm not the person in question.

Unless, of course, Ken and Greg were lying.

Post by freedom

Was that like the ""anonymous"" person who
supposedly said they went to your address
and it was a 30 something black woman?

Nobody, anonymous or otherwise, said anything about having gone to my
address. The person making the statement about the black woman was in the
Chicago area....a full days' travel from my address.

Greg is psychologically UNABLE to be honest, except by accident
or force.

Post by freedom

http://www.public-records-now.com/Search/SearchResults.aspx?vw=3Dpeople&in=

pu

t=3Dname&fn=3DJanet&mn=3DM&ln=3DMoore&city=3DCalumet%20City&state=3DIL
http://www.whitepages.com/search/ReverseAddress?street=3D850+buffalo+ave&w=

he

re=3DCalumet+City%2C+IL

Which has nothing to do with me.

DDM > That's the best you've got? =A0At least Ken makes
DDM > up NEW lies rather than just copying and
DDM > pasting the old ones. =A0No wonder he considers
DDM > you a below average schmuck.
Next you'll complain that I run a hate site and spam it
on a big sig at the bottom of every post.

You lack the knowledge to create a web site.

He barely possess the knowledge to post to Usenet.

Post by freedom
http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com
The truth about Kenneth Pangborn, who supports convicted child sex
criminals

Title: ST VS GREGORY HANSON
(DOB 05/22/1959)
CRIMINAL COMPLAINT 04/10/1996
Comments: CT 1 OWI 1ST
OTHER CITATION 04/10/1996
Comments: CT 2 SPEED
Disposition Status
GUILTY PLEA/DEFAULT

"That's the chick, but not the pic, zipperhead!"
Greg Hanson proving his bigotry towards Asians, or proving he's so
stupid he thinks I'm Asian.
MID:<c6bac3f6-7a0e-4bf8-8ddd-***@p49g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.legal/msg/395db830731df54a
http://www.rsdb.org/search?q=zipperhead

Me: "I suspect your stalking is due to the use and abuse of illegal
drugs, Greg. Is the reason for your stalking the members of
alt.friends due to the use and abuse of illegal drugs?

Gregory Scott Hanson, wife beater and child abuser: "Of course."


"My family's case is for Neglect, but we are treated
in virtually every regard as child abusers, marked on
the Child Abuse registry, for example."
-- Greg Scott Hanson telling Usenet he's a FOUNDED child abuser.
Message-ID: <***@posting.google.com>

" ... But there ought to be conferences and studies on how to curb
minority overpopulation, repatriate minorities abroad, imprison more
minorities, increase use of the death penalty and divest minorities of
the power they have usurped over us in recent years. That would
address the most pressing problems of our day. ... "
April 2000, Gregory Hanson
http://www.nationalist.org/ATW/2000/040101.html#Hanson

[sir psycho]

Post by freedom
If you have been falsely accused and are considering hiring Ken Pangborn as
your consultant, please read carefully.
1. KEN PANGBORN HAS A LONG LIST OF DISSATISFIED CLIENTS AND WOULD-BE
CLIENTS.
http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com contains testimonials from former clients
of Ken. Although he insists that these people are made up, he has in the
past argued with or about them on usenet, and the posts in question can
still be found in Google Groups archives.
Former clients who have spoken out against Ken, and criticized his
services, have been subjected to having their private and confidential case
information posted on the internet by Ken.
Ken also has been unable to produce a single former client who will vouch
for his services.
2. KEN PANGBORN POSSESSES A DRIVING HATRED OF WOMEN.
His usenet posts reflect this: he has often referred to women as "cunts,"
"bitches," pieces of "pussy," and he even referred to his wife, Barbara
Sanciprian, as a "thing" attached to a vagina. He even attacked his own
daughter, Megan, by publicly posting information about her work in the
adult film industry.
If you are divorcing, or involved in a family law dispute with the mother
of your child, there probably is already more than enough animosity or hate
in the situation. You don't need Kenneth Pangborn to further fuel and
instigate the situation. Like it or not, she is the mother of your child,
and nobody deserves to be demeaned in the way which Ken treats women.
3. KEN PANGBORN LIES ABOUT HIS EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUND.
He claims to have a psychology degree. With a glance at his curriculum
vitae and a little bit of research, one finds that Shaftesbury University,
the school Ken lists on his CV, is a sham operation. It is a "diploma
mill" which is unaccredited.
Would you want a doctor to operate on you, if you knew that he purchased
his diploma by mail and never spent a day in a classroom? Nor should you
hire a legal expert who did the same.
4. KEN PANGBORN HAS VERY LITTLE LEGAL KNOWLEDGE.
* The only reason a defense attorney requests a continuance is if his
client is "guilty as hell."
* If you make a statement and the opposing party asks you to prove it,
this is a sure sign that they have lost.
* Child support should be paid by fathers in intact, non-divorced
families.
* When an agreement is reached between a prosecution and a defense, the
judge will throw it out and impose his/her own sentence 70% of the time.
* Law enforcement agents routinely share information with strangers on
the internet, regarding open criminal investigations which they are working
on.
* Pretrial conferences, trials and plea bargains occur before
charges/arrests/arraignments are made.
* If a judge reviews the evidence in a case, he can rule that there is no
need for a trial, and can find the defendant guilty and impose sentencing.
* If two people share the same first and last name, the logical
conclusion is that they are the same person...even if they have different
middle names and reside in different parts of the country.
5. KEN PANGBORN SPENDS MOST OF HIS TIME (AND YOURS, IF YOU RETAIN HIM)
ARGUING AND HARASSING OTHERS ON THE INTERNET.
One need look no further than the usenet newsgroups
alt.dads-rights.unmoderated,alt.support.child-protective-services and
soc.culture.cuba. On most days, by 6 am these groups are already filled
with several angry, lie-filled posts from Ken, which continue throughout
the day.
He also frequently launches into massive tirades on irrelevant matters,
including whether or not he visited Cuba several years ago, or whether he
appeared on a radio talk show.
Clearly he isn't getting any work done...do you really want to pay this man
to post to internet discussion groups all day?
6. KEN PANGBORN HAS VERY POOR BUSINESS SENSE.
In 2000, http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com went online. Due to content and
keywords, it became firmly indexed in every major internet search engine,
including Yahoo, Google, Askjeeves, MSN etc. When a search is done for any
variation of Ken's name, listings for the site are returned, even higher
than listings for Ken's own business pages. In most search engines,
http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com is the #1 listing which is returned. This
means that anyone who is considering hiring Ken, and who decides to first
research him, is virtually guaranteed to read the site which highlights
Ken's fraudulent education, harassment and poor reviews from former
clients.
Ken was offered numerous opportunities to have
http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com removed from the web. At one point, it
would have taken a simple apology, for lies which Ken had already been
caught in. If he had any business sense at all, he would have swallowed
his pride, shown some integrity and gotten the site removed.
7. KEN PANGBORN CAN'T HANDLE HIS FINANCES.
A few years back, Ken filed Chapter 7 bankruptcy. The main reason, as
indicated by the bankruptcy documents as viewable at
http://docs.aboutkenpangborn.com, was a significant decrease in annual
income. According to the documents, he went from making 90k per year to
30k per year in a relatively short period of time....most likely due to his
fraudulent business practices and the reasons highlighted in #6.
When working with clients, Ken first asks for a significant retainer.
According to William Rainey, who claimed to be a would-be client, Ken asked
him for $15,000. How can Ken be expected to manage other people's money,
when he can't even handle his own?
8. KEN PANGBORN CAN'T EVEN MANAGE HIS OWN FAMILY.
Consider Ken's own track record. He has been divorced at least twice,
under very nasty circumstances. He had to purchase a wife from Cuba who
barely speaks any English, according to his daughter. His own daughters
won't speak to him, and his emotional abuse actually drove one of them to
join the porn industry. Ken then humiliated her by publicly announcing
this fact on usenet and on his listserv.
Ken also confessed that his affair with his current wife, Barbara, began
while he was still married to and living with his former wife Peggy.
9. KEN PANGBORN IS A RACIST.
His recent slurs against people of Polish nationality can be found on
alt.support.child-protective-services. In addition, his forgeries
regarding Jewish and African-American people are well-known and are
documented at http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com.
10. KEN PANGBORN MAY BE SUFFERING FROM MENTAL DISORDERS.
OCD/paranoia: Ken seems to believe that certain people are out to get
him. He is well-known for his "David Moore" obsession, to the point where
he thinks people around him are involved in some sort of conspiracy or
"coalition" against him....including his neighbors and his own daughter.
He also frequently attempts to stalk anyone he finds bearing the name
"David Moore," having attacked at least five unique individuals bearing
that name. Incredibly, on one occasion Ken claimed that his own name was
David Moore.
Multiple personality disorder: Ken frequently invents identities on
usenet, and carries on entire conversations with himself under these names.
He even invented biographies for some of the personas he created in 2003.
Tourette's: Ken is prone to sudden irrational outbursts, as heard on the
http://docs.aboutkenpangborn.com/pangborninterview.mp3.
Compulsive lying: Ken seems to possess a psychological need to lie. He
does so in nearly every single internet post, often lying about matters
which have already been disproved or which are simple to disprove.
http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com

11. Because HE DEAD!!!